Smith & Wesson reintroduces the Model 66

Would you buy the new Model 66?


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Originally posted by lee n. field:

Probably means a lock up like Taurus uses -- a little ball and notch arrangement on top of the crane, instead of locking up at the front of the ejector rod.

This. I have one on my PC 629 Magnum Hunter, because of the short ejector rod and slab barrel.

I have no interest at all in a K-Frame .357 Magnum....old or new. Too little difference between them and the superior L-Frame that was introduced to replace them.
 
I probably wouldn't buy a new 66. What I am looking for is a 66 with a 2 1/2" barrel to go with the 6"and 4" I already own. Used is fine with me. Even better is if I could get it in the -1 variation as the 4" is a no dash and the 6" is a -2

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I'm curious what effect the new guns will have on the used market
I'm guessing little to none. The "classic" series guns didn't seem to have an effect when they were released.

My guess would be that they're have a market price of around $700-729, which is still well above the $500 average for a good older one on the secondary market.

The odd thing is, I spoke with a S&W rep a couple of years back, and he claimed they'd never go back to .357 K-Frames. Hrm. In any case, this bodes well because the company was running low on K-Frame parts for awhile, and this should replenish that supply a bit.

The last 66's on the market (2002 or so IIRC) had two-piece barrels. I suspect those were the same barrel assemblies they were using for the 620.
 
No thanks, I've got mine. I bought it in 1981, a no-dash 66 with a 4" barrel, and it rode with me for 20 years before I retired it. It still gets out occasionally for a range session, but it no longer has to work the long, dark nights. The 66 was a constant companion for many years, and it's a revolver that I have a lot of respect for. I'm simply not in the market for another.
 
Probably means a lock up like Taurus uses -- a little ball and notch arrangement on top of the crane, instead of locking up at the front of the ejector rod.

I hope your right about the crane lock up but wrong about the ejector rod.
I had this built 30 years ago and after +++thousands of rounds it’s as tight now as then.
I would prefer the gun in 696 (44special) no lock and solid barrel.
Sorry but barrel with barrel shroud is cheaper production not better.:(
 
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I own a dozen 66's from the no dash to the 66-4, in several barrel lengths.

That abomination of a revolver is no 66. Two piece barrel, ugly MIM trigger and hammer, idiot lock, redesigned frame lines and optimistic high price. More of the same crap from the current company calling itself S&W.

I predict this model will follow the "classic" model 15 knock offs sales history. Low sales followed by model being discontinued and on sale for cheap at CDNN. Regards 18DAI
 
"That abomination of a revolver is no 66. Two piece barrel, ugly MIM trigger and hammer, idiot lock, redesigned frame lines and optimistic high price. More of the same crap from the current company calling itself S&W.

I predict this model will follow the "classic" model 15 knock offs sales history. Low sales followed by model being discontinued and on sale for cheap at CDNN. Regards 18DAI"
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All true and well said......P
 
I’ve got a Model 66 which I purchased new about twenty-five years ago. I believe the look/feel of the gun can’t be beat and it definitely falls into my never sell category. However, I think the new revolver does offer something as it fills that same size niche that the old 19/66 did. I know it may not be a classic M-66, but it still looks like a pretty cool gun lock and all.
 
Nope

I'm not crazy about stainless steel guns to start.

But flat out, I will not buy one with that idiot Clinton lock; nor will I buy one with a non-pinned barrel or the frame mounted firing pin.
 
I have a slew of reasons to not like new production Smith & Wesson revolvers nearly as much as the older ones I enjoy, but I will have to say that the new style barrel is -NOT- one of those reasons.

The X-frame guns all use the two-piece barrels and they have quite a reputation for accuracy and it's been suggested that it's not all too different than the two-piece barrel system used by Dan Wesson in the past. Now you can have a whole other discussion on the merits of the Dan Wesson revolvers, but VERY few folks have much argument with the accuracy of them... they have a fantastic reputation in that regard.

Not saying I want to buy a bunch of new S&W because I like these barrels. I'm just saying that while there are many things I don't like about new S&W revolvers, I think the barrel is an improvement.
 
I bought a 620. It already has all the modern features like mim hammer, trigger, two piece barrel, Hillary hole, frame mounted firing pin, you name it. When I want old-timey S&W, I just whip out my pinned and recessed model 19. Surprise to me is both triggers are positively righteous!
 
I bought a 620. It already has all the modern features like mim hammer, trigger, two piece barrel, Hillary hole, frame mounted firing pin, you name it. When I want old-timey S&W, I just whip out my pinned and recessed model 19. Surprise to me is both triggers are positively righteous!
Yup, me too.

For all the whining about the "modern" features, Ive never had a lick of trouble with my 620, and its been a great gun. Its got a sweet, buttery DA trigger.

I probably wouldnt bother with the new 66. I am of late, lusting for a 2.5" 686 Plus though.
 
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Return of the K-Frame .357 Magnum®
• Full Top Strap and Barrel Serration - ok.

• Ball-Detent Lock-Up - NO. Now If the front and back lock are there AND the
'Bal-Detent' then ok. But it sounds like the cheeped out.

• 2-Piece Barrel - no. One piece barrel or no barrel!!!


Just make an honest to goodness M66 THE WAY THEY MADE THEM BEFORE.

Deaf
 
If it's a true K frame then yes. Hopefully stronger than the original. The longer barrel is probably so they will be compliant for Canada sales.
 
Okay, it's a new model 66 - sort of like the New Vaquero. S&W has made some changes and "improvements" to the original to meet certain demands.

1. Yes, it has the lock (aka Hillary Hole). Do what I do, unlock it and ignore it.
2. "Barrel serration" refers to the longitudinal grooves on the top of the barrel that reduce glare when using the sights.
3. New guns will come with MIM parts. Deal with it.
4. New guns will comes with frame-mounted firing pins. Just as reliable and less prone to breakage than the hammer mounted ones.
5. Ball-detent lock-up is a feature to ensure a solidly locked swing arm.
6. Two piece barrel (see discussion below)

First and foremost, from what I can see of the gun in the S&W video, it is most likely a redesigned K-Frame. This means its dimensions vary from the older K-Frame line somewhat. There are several reasons for this, including to beef up the gun for .357 use.

I purchased a 2.5" Model 66-7 in 2004. It has all of the above features except the serrations and was one of the last Model 66's produced before they discontinued the model. Here's a photo of the gun.


You'll notice a circular "cap" on the end of the barrel that is part of the 2-piece barrel unit (at that time). The barrel is simply a steel tube threaded at one end to fit in the frame and the "barrel" you see is a machined steel shroud. The barrel tube is threaded onto the frame and the shroud is slipped over it. The shroud uses locating lugs to position it solidly onto the frame. The barrel is screwed down into the frame with a special tool, with the flash gap set (approx .004" on mine). The cap is also a tensioner that keeps tension on the barrel and seals up the unit.

This same barrel system was used on the Model 619/620 revolvers.

Why this is all a good thing™
As Sevens pointed out, Dan Wesson has used this methodology for barrels for over 35 years and it's worked out very well. Accuracy is as good, if not superior to standard bored-through barrels.

The other reason is that by going to this construction, along with frame changes, they have eliminated the "flat cut" under the barrel. With the 2-piece barrel, there is no need for the cut because the barrel tube is thinner than the original. This will (should?) eliminate problems with frame cracks under the forcing cone.

Mine does not have the ball-detent lock-up, but it's easy to see how that would be an added feature to the swing arm. Mine does have the front lockup inside the ejector shroud. I could not tell from the video if the latest model retains that feature, but it appears there is a spring-loaded plunger ahead of the ejector rod in the video.

The gun's frame, but not the grip frame area, is slightly different. I discovered this when I acquired a set of the old Bianchi "Lightning" grips. The Bianchi grips were rubber grips (like Pachmayrs) that extended up to the frame near the rear sight -- essentially giving the gun the appearance of the shrouded-hammer S&W "Bodyguard". They were meant for plainclothes work with the 2.5" Model 19/66's. The grips fit my 19-4 and 19-5 perfectly. But, the newer model 66's frame is slightly different and the grips do not fit properly alongside the hammer or rear sight. I found some minor differences when measuring with a micrometer, especially in the width of the frame and the distances from topstrap to the bottom of the frame where the trigger slot is and the space between the forward frame and rear sight.

If you add up all the modifications, the new model 66 fits somewhere between the old K-frame and the L-Frame, moving closer to the L-frame.

My new 66 has approximately 1250 rounds through it, 450 of which have been Federal, Remington and Winchester .357 Magnum. 200 rounds of Remington .357 Magnum 125gr SJHP were fired through the gun as the last magnums. Accuracy was very good and there were no problems noted with the gun's operation, not even difficulty extracting spent .357 brass.

I can feel the difference in the slightly heavier M66 vs my M19, both with 2.5" barrels and wearing the same grips. The M19 has more pleasing lines to the eye, but does not shoot any better than the Model 66. The M66 actually feels more solid in the hand (the weight I think) and its felt recoil is not noticeably more or less than the M19.

For what its worth, I've had ZERO problems with any of the new S&W revolvers I've bought since 2004. That includes the dreaded Hillary Hole and MIM parts.
 
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To: BillCA in CA (Unfortunately)

Are the frame dimensions of your model 66 just that much bigger to allow no cut on the forcing cone or are they the same as your Model 19?

Or, do you think new design is a result of the two piece barrel assembly?

On another forum they were discussing the two piece barrel assembly as a better solution for the L frame Model 69 44 mag pistol that was just introduced.
 
Besides the lock, is there any functional difference between the new and old ones? Most of the changes like MIM parts seem more like minor aesthetic differences.
 
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