Single Action as Primary Carry?
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oldgunsmith
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My first handgun was a 4 5/8" .357 Blackhawk before there was such a thing as the "New Model". Now I have 11, all 3 screw because the new action never felt right to me. I think my hands are spoiled on the action of the old. First choice for CC is the right hand 4 5/8" .41 or the original which is a .44 spec. now since the .357 cylinder wore out.
Poindexter
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I am 98% confident this is the holster you are asking about. Looks at first blush like a belt from the same shop too.
http://www.mernickleholsters.com/ps/bwcc_saa.html
http://www.mernickleholsters.com/ps/bwcc_saa.html
IMFdb.org The Expendibles....
I'd snoop around www.imfdb.org for the model/caliber but the SA wheelgun Sly Stallone(Barney Ross) uses in the popular action films; The Expendibles I & II was cool.
I'd still strongly advise against using a SA cowboy type revolver for armed citizen concealed carry or home protection. Field or range use, yes.
ClydeFrog
I'd snoop around www.imfdb.org for the model/caliber but the SA wheelgun Sly Stallone(Barney Ross) uses in the popular action films; The Expendibles I & II was cool.
I'd still strongly advise against using a SA cowboy type revolver for armed citizen concealed carry or home protection. Field or range use, yes.
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newfrontier45
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Even for someone who shoots tens of thousands of rounds per year with 80% of those being with single actions? If a person does 80% of their shooting with single actions, 10% with rifles, 5% with double actions and 5% with semi-auto handguns, which is he really better armed with?
How much single action shooting do you do? I'm not trying to put you on the spot or pick a fight but it's been my experience that most of those who share your opinion have a very limited interest and experience with single actions. You have four times as many posts in the semi-auto forum and 50% more in the general handgun forum as you do the revolver forum. What may we infer from those numbers?
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Bob Wright
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To answer a couple or three questions, my holster is indeed a Bob Mernickle PS-6SA, and it is as custom as you can get unless you design it yourself, which I couldn't have done better.
The belt I picked up on one of our treks west, Texas or Arizona, don't remember which. The buckle is from a Navajo trading post near Tuba City, Arizona.
The cartridge case holds six rounds and is from Galco. Here is the case opened:
As to my ability with the Single Action, I used to shoot, when I was gainfully employed, around 10,000 rounds a year, usually slightly more, 100% of that was revovlers, and maybe 95% of that in Single Actions. My log book totals over a quarter million rounds fired.
Bob Wright
The belt I picked up on one of our treks west, Texas or Arizona, don't remember which. The buckle is from a Navajo trading post near Tuba City, Arizona.
The cartridge case holds six rounds and is from Galco. Here is the case opened:
As to my ability with the Single Action, I used to shoot, when I was gainfully employed, around 10,000 rounds a year, usually slightly more, 100% of that was revovlers, and maybe 95% of that in Single Actions. My log book totals over a quarter million rounds fired.
Bob Wright
WildBill45
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I have carried Colt S.A.A. and my F.A. 454 Casull everywhere for anything for years, but mostly in the field, but, and there always is a but in life, in going back and forth to the mountains in Colorado and home I still carried the S.A. in stores, shopping, and moving about. Very compact for high power levels. Be it a lion, which I carried my 454 in Africa for when hunting with a bow, or a rattlesnake while longbow hunting for antelope in Yoder Colorado, or keeping thugs off of me in the back alleys of Denver...
You cannot usually pick the fight you are going to be in. The fight is going to be what the fight is going to be. If I were up against BG's toting single action six guns I would be fine with one, however, this aint Dodge city.
As romantic and quaint as it may be you will be at a serious disadvantage if you ever find your self in a gun fight so armed.
You may have seen a non trained amateur attempting to reload a double action revolver, never confuse that with what a good shooter can accomplish. There are also plenty of guys around that shoot J frames pretty good.
As romantic and quaint as it may be you will be at a serious disadvantage if you ever find your self in a gun fight so armed.
You may have seen a non trained amateur attempting to reload a double action revolver, never confuse that with what a good shooter can accomplish. There are also plenty of guys around that shoot J frames pretty good.
newfrontier45
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I don't consider it to be "romantic and quaint" to defend myself with the tool I am the most proficient with. Although I don't expect those who are not proficient with them to understand. Any perceived advantage you might think your autoloader affords you is just that, perceived. Mindset, situational awareness, weapon proficiency and staying cool under pressure are all VASTLY more important than your chosen equipment. If you think your autoloader gives you an advantage for the first five or six shots, just because it's an autoloader with higher capacity, you would be gravely mistaken.
Most people who carry J-Frames do not carry a speed loader, maybe speed strips, but either way the reload probably won't be that fast, and you have 5 rounds of 38's, vs 5 or six rounds of 45's to to get the job done.
If you want to talk speed of shooting, I shot a bowling pin match one time with a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag and had one of the fastest times of the day, shooting against 1911's and various doubleaction revolvers. Of course the trick was not to miss, so I didn't need a reload and the 44mag always cleared the pins from the table.
So to tell you the truth, I would not feel like I was at much of a disavantage with a large caliber singleaction against a Wonder 9, under most realistic confrontations I can dream up, while carrying CCW
What do I really carry? It just depends, could be a Colt Mustang Pocket lite, or Glock 26, to a Lightweight Commander 1911, but I have also carried on occasion a Colt 45 singleaction replica, or a Ruger Singleaction, but the singleaction is a thinking man's gun, and spraying and praying is not an option, but if the chips were to really fall, I would at least choose to have with me at the time, a Singleaction 45 or 44, vs a mouse gun or a J-frame, and that's not because I can't shoot my mouseguns or j-frames accurately because I can.
If you want to talk speed of shooting, I shot a bowling pin match one time with a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag and had one of the fastest times of the day, shooting against 1911's and various doubleaction revolvers. Of course the trick was not to miss, so I didn't need a reload and the 44mag always cleared the pins from the table.
So to tell you the truth, I would not feel like I was at much of a disavantage with a large caliber singleaction against a Wonder 9, under most realistic confrontations I can dream up, while carrying CCW
What do I really carry? It just depends, could be a Colt Mustang Pocket lite, or Glock 26, to a Lightweight Commander 1911, but I have also carried on occasion a Colt 45 singleaction replica, or a Ruger Singleaction, but the singleaction is a thinking man's gun, and spraying and praying is not an option, but if the chips were to really fall, I would at least choose to have with me at the time, a Singleaction 45 or 44, vs a mouse gun or a J-frame, and that's not because I can't shoot my mouseguns or j-frames accurately because I can.
Thank you, newfrontier,
As a poster noted earlier, most of the naysayers are casting the issue through their own (nonexistent) proficiency with a single action revolver. Why micturate on another gun owner's choice of weapon? Perhaps we're well advised to suggest that sunaj (the OP) find a different firearm, if any (he's from California, after all), and leave the fanning on the back lot.
Newfrontier rightly notes situational awareness and mindset are key. An extreme example: A gentleman open carrying a replica Remington 1875 with a 7 1/2 barrel found himself in a rather Hollywoodesque shootout in a Stop-n-Rob in Richmond, Virginia four years ago. He prevailed despite breaking the trigger of his weapon diving for cover. In fact, he ended up hand-to-hand, pistol-whipping the robber, who had already shot the store's owner twice. The point being, this guy was ready to fight. Oh, and no one, not even the hardened criminals, noticed his openly carried SA revolver.
Go with what you know, baby!
http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/vadetail.html?RECID=4520225
As a poster noted earlier, most of the naysayers are casting the issue through their own (nonexistent) proficiency with a single action revolver. Why micturate on another gun owner's choice of weapon? Perhaps we're well advised to suggest that sunaj (the OP) find a different firearm, if any (he's from California, after all), and leave the fanning on the back lot.
Newfrontier rightly notes situational awareness and mindset are key. An extreme example: A gentleman open carrying a replica Remington 1875 with a 7 1/2 barrel found himself in a rather Hollywoodesque shootout in a Stop-n-Rob in Richmond, Virginia four years ago. He prevailed despite breaking the trigger of his weapon diving for cover. In fact, he ended up hand-to-hand, pistol-whipping the robber, who had already shot the store's owner twice. The point being, this guy was ready to fight. Oh, and no one, not even the hardened criminals, noticed his openly carried SA revolver.
Go with what you know, baby!
http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/vadetail.html?RECID=4520225
Texshooter
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I feel fairly confident
that I can say, just speaking for myself, that Mr Wright quite possibly desrves a spot on Mt Rushmore
that I can say, just speaking for myself, that Mr Wright quite possibly desrves a spot on Mt Rushmore
Perception is based on training and experience, who mentioned an autoloader?
Absolutely
Its the Indian, not the bow.
I am not most people, my J frame is a BUG and it is a 357 magnum that loads with moon clips, and I can load it pretty darn fast.
I don't carry a wonder nine and never alluded to, never assume.
Actually I am quite proficient with single action revolvers, having been shooting them for over 40 years and actually competing in CAS for several years. There again, never assume.
My current carry piece in my 629 PC.
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Winchester_73
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So who else believes that the SAA "fanning" capability is a tactical advantage, if you practice it? 
Here is how easy it really is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk
Here is how easy it really is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk
seeker_two
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....or you can watch how they do it in real life....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=or8547n_M7k
....so easy that even a girl can do it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=or8547n_M7k
....so easy that even a girl can do it....
Winchester_73
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Seeker two,
I suppose you understand that we were talking about a real live self defense situation, which involved a SA revolver and multiple attackers (which, IMO, fanning there is total fantasy) and you instead show us what some Clint Eastwood wannabee with a cowboy hat can do against a target that doesn't shoot back? Probably not the best analogy is it?
So no one else gets confused here, my simple point was, fanning a SAA has no place in a SD scenario, and if someone thinks they can do it, or do it well, against multiple attackers, like the Man with No Name, then that person is a fool.
I suppose you understand that we were talking about a real live self defense situation, which involved a SA revolver and multiple attackers (which, IMO, fanning there is total fantasy) and you instead show us what some Clint Eastwood wannabee with a cowboy hat can do against a target that doesn't shoot back? Probably not the best analogy is it?
So no one else gets confused here, my simple point was, fanning a SAA has no place in a SD scenario, and if someone thinks they can do it, or do it well, against multiple attackers, like the Man with No Name, then that person is a fool.
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