Sig Sauer P365 or Springfield Hellcat?
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stephen426
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the45er said:
Not all gun fights are at bad breath distance just because you chose to carry a sub compact. Living in South Florida, I can’t conceal a large handgun, so I have to choose from a sub-compact. I had a Kahr PM9 that I carried for a while due to the size (along with two 7 round mags) due to its small size. When I joined the practical shooting club, it became obvious that the trigger was a hinderance to rapid and longer distance shooting. Even though I have plenty of larger guns, I believe in practice (most) with what you carry. I went with a Glock 43 and swapped the trigger with an Agency Arms trigger and a Double Diamond trigger bar. I can hit steel pretty reliably from 50 yards. Even though I got the plus 2 extenders for my 2 spare mags, I only had a total of 23 rounds of ammo. While I hope I never need that many rounds, I picked up the Hellcat since it held 11+1 or 13+1 with the extended mag for almost the same size as the Glock 43. I certainly helped me keep up with the guys at the practical shooting club so I wouldn’t have to reload as often!
Does your Romeo Zero come with a little windshield wiper?How does in work in a summer monsoon?
Red dot optics can still work when wet if that’s your point. If the front of the optic is occluded then your eyes will combine the two images. If the rear of the optic is occluded there are techniques to either use the housing as a reference or reflexive shooting is an option. I’d add that when I say occluded I mean completely blocked. Even a projected dot that is bursted by water in the projector still works.
I’d add your original point was about concealability. If you want to start debating red dots in adverse conditions maybe we should start a new thread. Then you can ask me what if the optic is hit by flying debris from a hurricane
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Only ever been a problem for me with sandpaper Talon grips until I filed them down a bit. Very agrresive G10 grips on 1911s and the like have never caught on my shirt that I've noticed.
With the Hellcat specifically I'd have liked a more aggressive part on the front and back staps, but that's just my preference.
Well yeah, I know red dots can work in wet environments utilizing the right techniques but quite frankly I don't care to complicate the situation any further than it will already be.
As it relates to concealability, obviously the size of the pistol isn't as big a priority for you as it is for me. You seem quite happy carrying a Sig P365XL with the red dot mounted. I'm not.
But that is ok, I'm probably chunkier and older than you as well as being a big old fatty sweaty geezer.
Heh, yeah. That is a discussion that should be had. How could anyone ever find themselves in a gun battle in a rain storm or after having been presented with a sweat dripping handgun. Gosh, I'm sure that never happens. Certainly, every shooting I've been involved in was only on a bright, clear, sunny day. (Cough, cough).
stephen426
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@mel80,
The grip ergonomics looks nicer on the Sig. The Hellcat seems a little blocky in comparison, but it fits my hand just fine (minus the pinky finger of course lol). How are the triggers when comparing them side by side? Thanks!
The grip ergonomics looks nicer on the Sig. The Hellcat seems a little blocky in comparison, but it fits my hand just fine (minus the pinky finger of course lol). How are the triggers when comparing them side by side? Thanks!
triplebike
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My son & I got to the range yesterday with his new P365. Ran 250 rds through it. The gun ran flawlessly. The sights were dead on. I was surprised by the soft recoil for its size. It has a very nice trigger, no creep or grittiness, and a very nice clean break. I shot a two inch group at 10 yards without any problem. The eurgos are excellent even with my bigger hands, it fit his hand like a glove. Thrilled with the performance and accuracy. He shot slightly tighter groups than I did. Having 27 year old eyes and reflexes does help LOL. All and all the P365 is one heck of a firearm and easily worth ever penny!
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out of all 3 to me the xl has the best trigger then the hellcat then the std 365 last i really like the 365xls flat trigger
with the hellcat i had issues with the extended mag pinching my hand when firing , so i tried out some hyve mag extensions they are +3/1 depending which mag u put them on, they fit way better then the oem baseplates and give me a good grip with my pinky , anyone with a hellcat should try one out
We must have completely different triggers. While the trigger is not bad, it has a TON of creep for me (Sig p365).
I hit a wall, then I have about 2 false walls then a 3rd break which is when the striker drops.
It feels like a Glock trigger when people put 3.5 lb connectors in them and destroy the trigger feel.
At the range, it's not bad because i'm just pulling through until it goes bang, but in dry-firing if I compare it with my other pistols, It has the most creep of any of them by far.
Def shoots really soft considering it's size though, Very pleased with it over all.
triplebike
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Sorry to hear that about your trigger. The range I belong to has a P365 rental and when I handled that gun the trigger just blew me away it felt exactly like my sons new p365. In fact I was probably most impressed with the trigger. The surprising soft recoil and the eurgos are right up there as well but the trigger made it so easy to shoot accurately. I have a Walther PPQ which has an outstanding trigger, and the Sig was right there and maybe a little better then my PPQ. There is zero creep and zero grittiness and no false walls. Maybe a trip back to Sig is in order for yours.
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Jman and I have talked about this, but mine is in the same boat as his in terms of triggers. It is getting a bit better with time, but it’s a far cry from a PPQ. However, we have another member here that has one and he says the exact same as you. Seems to be a bit of luck of the draw. I’ve swapped the trigger shoes and trigger spring in mine and no difference, so I’m not sure sending mine back would yield that much.
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I might shoot a message to Sig to see what they say. I would love to have a crisp and clean breaking trigger.
Most youtube reviews of the P365 I have seen have the same trigger as Mine as well.
triplebike
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How old is your Sig. Maybe they made some changes in the newer released ones. His does not have a manual safety, although I can't see how that would make a difference.
Mine is about 2 months old and no, manual safety won't change the trigger. All Sig P365's have the same trigger group, the version without manual safety can add it, and the version with it can remove it easily.
I went with it because I can simply remove it if I want to.
Most videos I've seen of the trigger pull show identical to mine and it seems that Tunnel Rat's is as well.
I have yet to see a video showing a PPQ like break on a P365.