Sig P320 announced the winner of US MHS contract

9mm is the cheapest... Even compared to smaller and less material cost rounds like 380, 32, etc...

Look at 223/556 it's much cheaper than other rounds... 308 and 762 as well.

The volume of production caused by manufacturing for the military makes cheap ammo available.
 
I would imagine that an ammo change would have been mentioned as part of the tests.
Maybe the modular part of the requirements means the gov't will order some in 357 sig.
 
If it was a P226 I would be impressed.

One striker pistol is like another, same failings.

Quality wise better.

DA is the choice of the people that shoot them the most.
 
my 2c:

As an Austrian, I am obligated by law and honor to be unhappy with this decision :p

Joking aside, I just find it interesting that after all these seemingly decade-long trials they will still stick with 9mm as the future handgun caliber for the next 30 yrs... Nothing against 9mm, I own one myself and see its merits, but it doesn't seem very forward-looking when e.g. the Chinese are changing to a bottlenecked PDW caliber in their handguns, the Germans are using it at least in their MP7 PDW SMGs and many Agencies (if not Armies) are using the FiveSeven today...

And yes, I agree, the SIG IS an ugly pistol...
 
Army goes Sig

Though I would share this....

A STAR IS BORN -- U.S. ARMY CHOOSES SIG SAUER P320 FOR ITS NEW SERVICE PISTOL (Forbes, Jan. 20, Frank Miniter) This represents a technological leap forward you will see in film, on TV crime dramas and, if you shoot, on the range. The U.S. Army has chosen Sig Sauer’s P320 pistol as its new service pistol. It’ll replace the long iconic Beretta M9 (essentially a military specification Beretta 92FS). The contract to arm our servicemen and women is reportedly $580 million over the next decade.
 
Kind of funny.....I was just handling a P320 at my LGS while I waited for my background check to clear so I could pick up my M9...:D
 
Any word about the ammunition that was selected as part of this contract?
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I guess my question is still outstanding. We know the caliber is 9mm (which makes perfect sense), but do we know anything about the actual ammunition Sig is providing as part of the contract?

Is it still 9mm NATO (typically 124gr FMJ) or something else?
 
M9 had to go.

It's been used for decades and is an antique pistol by comparison. This new M17 will be tremendous benefit for our boys in green, all the latest tech and modular compatibility.
 
How strange, announced on the 19th of Jan? People in our Military are going Glock 19 as personal choice.
 
johnwilliamson062
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The bean counters will want them melted down because that might just be the cheapest way to dispose of them.
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yes, spend money to melt them down, when they could actually make a little selling to the private sector....:rolleyes:


since selling makes sense, i doubt the govt will actially do it since they never seem to do anything that makes sense....
 
I'm excited by this. I saw huge potential in the P320 but the triggers didn't seem consistent to me. Some crisp, some spongey. I plan to buy one but wait for any kinks to get ironed out first. With a contract like this, I expect improvements to come faster and for a lot more improvements to make it to the design over time. This is an opportunity for SIG to take their pistols to another level. Looking forward to seeing what happens!
 
New sheriff in town. If he can make money he will.
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That's what I'm hoping on. While the Beretta 92 was never the best fit for the military IMO, it is a fine handgun and I would love to have a surplus one that's in decent shape.
 
because having an italian handgun for the last 30 years wasn't unamerican at all...
plus US military already packed sigs, ever hear of the M11?
 
Army goes Sig

Model12Win said:
M9 had to go.



It's been used for decades and is an antique pistol by comparison. This new M17 will be tremendous benefit for our boys in green, all the latest tech and modular compatibility.
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I'm sorry but to me this is exaggeration to the extreme. An "antique"? Both are magazine fed semiautomatic pistols firing in this case the 9mm Parabellum, Luger, however you want to call it (which is ironically a cartridge over 100 years old even in the non "antique" pistol). The new pistol is striker fired (which is also ironically a technology that was in pistols over 100 years ago) as opposed to hammer fired. This new pistol is lighter yes which is some benefit but we're talking 29.4 oz versus 34 oz, not really dramatic. The new pistol is also modular, though how well that will actually be utilized and not turn out to be an idea that was great in theory similar to the craze over quick change barrels and caliber conversion kits years back remains to be seen (people in or out of the military have already commented on envisioning boxes of frames that sit in armories and are never used). This new pistol does have the capability to use red dots and while I think that we'll see those be more prominent on pistols I think it's still a way off yet and frankly for a combat pistol I don't know that you will really see a great benefit (it's a secondary weapon to your rifle and at the distance it will come into play for most folks frankly you can even point shoot).

I don't think the Beretta is magical and I have no particular love for it, but the idea that it is "antique" when it uses the same ammunition, feeds the ammunition the same way, expels that ammunition in a very similar fashion, and extracts that ammunition in the same way is just out of left field imo. It's an evolutionary step, not a revolutionary one. And frankly I think the P320 is just fine in that role given the age of the M9s in inventory and the need to replace them. But do I think this is a game charger for the US soldier? Honestly no. There have been real game changers in US military history at multiple points and I think when you take those into account this becomes pretty mundane.


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The M17 beat the GLOCK as true combat military pistol.
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We don't really know this though. We don't have the results. I'm assuming it didn't really outperform the Glock in testing since none REALLY outperform it, and I'm assuming they didn't undercut Glocks pricing, as Glock is always the cheapest when it comes to mil/LE pricing.

I'm assuming it won based on the modular aspect (which I don't think will be actually used), as that aspect is what they primarily focused on for this round of testing.
 
yes, spend money to melt them down, when they could actually make a little selling to the private sector....
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It would not surprise me if destroying the old guns is cheaper than whatever process is required to send them to CMP. You would be amazed what the federal government spends on a simple and standard activity like issuing a check or processing a one page form. I don't think CMP actually pays for the firearms. Quite certain they money CMP receives stays within that organization.

I don't think they will surplus them through another method.

One interesting aspect of this purchase is that the modular system allows for a lot more parts switching and modification than the M9 would allow. I wonder how much modification they will permit soldiers to perform.
 
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