SIG 228 v. CZ 75

Richard:
the trigger pull of the Sig P228 in either single or double action is out of the class of any CZ75 I own or I have shot.
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That is strange. CZ-75's have always been known for thier smooth trigger pull, granted, the addition of the firing block seems to have compromised that in some guns. I have had a CZ-75 and 2 CZ-75b's and the trigger pull on all three guns has been perfect. Light, crisp, and smooth. They are definitely WAY better than any of the sigs I own(ed). I have never liked the sig double action pull, it is heavier that the CZ and breaks at a wierd time (for me), I also hate the sluggish way the trigger returns after firing. I agree with you about the sights, I give sig's the nod there, but, since I put night sights on my guns, it is a moot point to me. Again, this is all personal taste. I find the CZ points and shoots (less muzzle flip, etc.) better than the sig. I can shoot faster and more accurately with the CZ, and in a critical situation, that's all that counts. Also, CZ's can be carried DA or cocked and locked. You can have the best of both worlds with a CZ. So , if I had to put a "superior" tag on one, I would say the CZ. (It's also half the price of a sig.):D
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glockorama, it is time for a course in Voodoo Economics. I paid $600 for my Sig P228, it came with night sights, useable grips, and two high capacity magazines. I have never spent another dime on this pistol.

I paid $350.00 for my CZ75 in 1998, they weren't as common then as they are today. The CZ75 came with one high capacity magazine, grips that needed to be replaced, and sights my eyes couldn't see. I paid $39 for Excaliber grips, $50 for an extra magazine high capacity magazine, and $300 to have Novak night sights installed by Novak. Why did I opt for Novak? There are no Novak night sights made for the CZ75. They machine their 1911 sight to fit and when done it is a thing of beauty. Total cost todate is $739.

Armed with this information I would say the Sig P228 was a bargain and it has yet to go anywhere for alterations. After reading all of this remember that I do like CZ75s and shoot mine on a regular basis. If I didn't like CZ75 pistols I wouldn't own four of them and recommend them.

Regards,

Richard
 
Richard,
You could have saved yourself a bundle by using Meprolights at $70.00. They are just as good as Novaks. As far as high cap mags go, you must admit that the CZs at $47 are a better deal than the used SIGs for $75- $100. Also the lock up barell in the CZ has proven itself to have greater accuaracy. I like SIGs but the CZ is an overall better deal and better handgun.
 
Coop57, I haven't had to buy any high capacity magazines for my P228. It came with two. No one on this board or one of the CZ boards ever said that Meprolight produced a sight designed for the CZ75. If given the option of only one I would choose the Sig P228. If the choices were P226 and CZ75 I might well go with the CZ75. Regards, Richard

PS I think we are starting to beat a dead horse!
 
I bought a used Sig 228 about 5 years ago for $500 with two high cap magazines. I have never regretted the purchase. The gun is accurate, balances well, and has never misfeed any ammo, even cheap surplus.
 
Cz 75 all the way

If you can't see cz sights I would recommend a $60 trip to the eye doctor before spending any money on high dollar sights. Personaly, I don't see how anyone can use a wide front sight for accurate shooting. The cz sights are perfect for really accurate shooting. If you are only interested in defense, the CZ is the most natural pointing pistol, sights or not, of any pistol I have ever encountered. Many stand behind me on this one. We often shoot them quite accurately without using the sights at all.

As far as grips go, if you spent more than $20 for non decorative grips on a Cz, I have some beach front property in Oklahoma to sell you. Some people just like to spend money. Go figure. Sigs are nice, some are very nice but I don't think for a second that they are worth what they cost. Some people will spend $1000 on a custom knife. I'll buy a box full of rugged reliable old hickorys and then have enough left over for a couple guns. I will never suffer a dull moment.

Buy the cz. After you have one, you'll want more. -ddt
 
Dan745, (or Richard??) !:confused:

You scared me with that $900 price, good to see you got a deal.





vyper005

You asked:


Do you guys think the proof marked German or West German 228's are any better then the American made or assembled ones ??
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My Sig 228 was made in W. Germany and its definitely unbeatable, but I have a friend who shoots a P226 assembled in Exeter, NH. His shoots just as well as my does, so to answer your question, no, I think all the classic sigs are better guns. The newer Sigs and the Sig Pro crap have to go. They are cheapening the legacy
 
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ddt4free, I submit the following that I have posted about the CZ75 on this query:

1)One of the best buys in handguns is a CZ75B. You will not find a better service 9mm for the money. 2)Rent both pistols, shoot them, and make your choice.
3)Believe me I like my CZ75s but I am positive the P228 is a superior weapon.
4)After reading all of this remember that I do like CZ75s and shoot mine on a regular basis. If I didn't like CZ75 pistols I wouldn't own four of them and recommend them.
5)If the choices were P226 and CZ75 I might well go with the CZ75.

After rereading these or reading them for the first time I suggest that you locate a very good opthamologist and avail yourself of his services. In regard to my eyesight I would suggest there has only been one perfect person on Earth and we know what they did to him.

Regards,

Richard
 
the campfire is burning bright,

and my Sig P228 will work all night. Whether one is camping with family, or hunting Eric Robert
Rudolph; if I can't get a P220 in .45ACP, then
give me the P228 9m/m. The CZ is not even in the
same class with either weapon; sorry guy's!!!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
I think alot of this has to do with an elitist attitude. To say the CZ75 is not on par with a Sig is "Elitist". The quality of the CZ is right there with Sig. My 75 has been the most accurate pistol I have ever shot. Never fired a Sig, but just from holding them, I just don't like the way they are set up. Whats good for you may not be godd for someone else. But don't sit there and say that a pistol that is practically handcrafted is not on par with Sig in quality.
 
glockorama, I apologize the response it should have been directed to ddt4free. He is in fact the party requiring the opthamologist and/or a remedial reading course. Sorry and regards, Richard
 
I'm at a loss to explain some of the attitude directed toward Richard. It's not as if he said the CZ-75B is a poor choice for a pistol, and it's not as if he called anyone foolish for owning one. In fact, he's done nothing but praise the CZ, and he backs that up by owning four of them. It might also be pointed out that Richard is a regular contributor to the CZForum discussion board. The man is a CZ enthusiast, so perhaps we might cut him some slack and actually listen to what he's saying instead of having a knee-jerk reaction just because he opined that another pistol might be better than our beloved 75.

Unlike some, he owns and regularly shoots both pistols. That's a far better measure than just handling a pistol and then passing judgement on it.

If you really want to know which one is better for you, take Richard's advice and read the discussion boards carefully and thoroughly. Then rent both pistols and see which one you like better.

Take care all. Marko
 
I agree, HS 2000 (I'm getting me one of those when they come out in .357 sig, by the way). I enjoyed enchanging ideas and differences with Richard. That's what this board is about. No need to call names, we all have are own opinions and none are right or wrong. Richard said, many times, that he liked the CZ very much, he just prefered the sig. What's wrong with that? I like Ferrari's AND Porsches!!

(I still think the CZ is SUPERIOR Richard. ) :D
 
Thank you both for a show of support. As a reward I am going to try my new CZ40 on Saturday and I should have a report by Monday. My original impression of the CZ40 is that it feels akin to a 1911A1 yet appears to my eyes to have a slide which that looks like a Sig. So far, without firing it, I like the CZ75. I hope I can say the same on Monday. Remember, I am not overly fired up over the 40 S&W. Regards, Richard
 
Poor Richard!

Sorry to have gotten your panties in a bind. I was mearly trying to rebuff the fact that you implied that it was sort of inherently neccessary to customize the cz with expensive custom sights and expensive grips that really add to the cost of a cz with what I would argue were marginal improvements to the gun. It seem's that you took the most expensive route possible to customize your gun.

As for that perfect person you mention, I'm not sure he would approve of the brotherly love you show on this forum(to me anyways). After all I believe tolerance was his main message but maybe I'm mistaken. I will acquiesce to your expertise on that subject. Peace and Love... brother -ddt
 
Here's my take and my question on the CZ75B.

In the late '80s, I was sorely tempted by the Italian CZ clones, in nickle (or was it stainless) and in the compact configuration.

I did not buy one for two reasons: the initial take-up on the DA trigger was SO stiff, my first-shot dry fires resembled a 12-poind single action pull with a half-inch overtravel. IOW, I could not pull the trigger without wobbling the aim all over the place! It was very stiff to begin the trigger travel.

The second reason was that I wanted a firing pin block safety. I'm just funny that way, okay?

I love the SIG, its trigger (starts light enough that I can get smooth first shots--proven on paper targets in high-speed drills), and the slide release that's back where it NEEDS to be.

My question--is the true CZ75B's initial trigger take-up stiff like the SIG's?

And, where is the CZ75B's slide release?

My only complaint about the SIG is that the bore line is so high. They could probably win some market share from Glock if they could lower the bore by at least a half-inch...
 
Hey, Rob96,

I didn't mean to offend you are anyone else. As most member's know, I have been shooting Sig's
for a long time; against all kind's of make's
and model's of semi-auto's. I simply can't recall
a CZ ever out shooting any of my Sig's; therfore
I must rate the Sig's as a cut above the popular
CZ line. Admittingly, the CZ's are fine weapons
indeed. The one's I've handled looked good and
felt well in the hand. Hope this clears this matter up!!!

Respectfully,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Didn't want to seem like I was snapping Ala. Had hand surgery yesterday (shooting hand), and currently taing Percoset for pain. Just tried to make a point that the CZ is right there with the Sig at half the cost.
 
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