Should you practice with your self defense gun? Answer Absolutely not.

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Now we are finally getting somewhere. If all you got was 30,000 rounds out of glock's then you yourself just admitted that they sure don't have much of a long service life.

Ok I will quit joking with you. Now be honest surely you got more than 30,000 rounds out of each of them. Didn't you? Or are you actually being Frank with us. Why did you get rid of three of them. What problems were you experiencing with them to cause you to get rid of three of them in a row like that. Just Curious W.R.
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Wasn't experiencing any problems. Between those three Glocks, I experienced just two hiccups. One was a squib load and the other was a dud primer. Other than that, 90k+ rounds with no jams, no parts breakage. I was a satisfied consumer.

Why did I sell them? Frankly they just start to look a little dingy at the 30k mark. The gray patina from muzzle blast gets a little hard to get off the front end. They're not like other guns, I don't get real attached to 'em, I just trade it in on a fresh one and start toting it. Matter of fact, I was carrying their decendent, a G23C, on my hip in the gun shop yesterday in a Bianchi PDQ that I'd bought when I bought my first 23 some seven years ago. It's still a baby, barely broken in with maybe 500 or so rounds through it.
 
WR's posts do tend to contain some wisdom. He just takes it too far, that's all. Noone here is advocating using a beat up gun for CCW. He's right when he says that many of today's small CCW pistols are not as tough as their full-sized cousins. I've got an alloy-framed 38 stubby that I don't shoot as much cause I do worry about premature wear. And if he is talking about putting tens of thousands of rounds through your CCW gun in a year, then maybe he has a valid point.

However, I wouldn't want to have a primary CCW gun that I couldn't trust with a few thousand rounds through it. I carry a G26 which is prob as durable as its larger brother, the G17. I won't feel bad about putting 20,000 rounds through it at all.

The worst example of this I can think of is at the local nuclear power plant. The guards there carry the Beretta 92FS. Their guns are so banged up it looks like they dragged them behind a car for a few miles. (And the guards didn't look to good either. Talk about a rough looking bunch!)
 
I guess if you were really paranoid about your self defense gun failing from over-usage, it would probably be best to own two of those guns so that you could shoot one "all the time" and the other occasionally. That way, you have no concern about over-usage, or unfamiliarity, or whatever. Perhaps an even better thing to do is buy a piece known for durability and reliability, and just forget about it.
 
I was beginning to think that very few people on this forum ever read anything about the gun world and the famous writers that publish their thoughts and philosophies in it.
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The truth is, very few people on this forum ever worship famous writers like you do because we've heard too much BS from them to take anything they write seriously. When was the last time you heard any of them offer a critical remark of any firearm they "tested".

The people on this forum would rather ask questions and get responses from people like them who use firearms in the real world.

Shake
 
Gentlemen:

1. There is a tremendous difference between

A. A pompous, ignorant member

B. A troll

2. Maybe we can set up on of those polls to see which category the Wild Pomeranian belongs in.

3. If anyone chooses to set up the poll, be sure and include "All of the Above" as one of the voting choices.


Dawg23
 
Geeeez, there's enough flame in this thread to melt my hard drive. Let's all try to remember we're on the same side of the whole "gun" issue.
 
I would work out to get into shape but a heart only has so many beats in it till it goes ker-plunk. I'd rather save all those heart beats for a longer life.
 
I used to think that buying a quality piece was enough to ensure that my pistol would be there when I needed it. However we hear of quality pistols from Beretta with slide failure, Sigs with cracked frames(occasionally) and lo and behold, recently I read on this forum where a Springfield Armoury .45 has its slide crack in two during firing! The list goes on and on. Quality is an edge not a guarantee. Catastrophic failure whether from overuse or defect is rare in a quality piece but it happens just enough to show that it can happen to anybody, with any firearm, at any time. Will limiting use of a firearm help prevent this...maybe...maybe not. Do I lose sleep over this, absolutely not. Is is all that important, not at all. Have I ever had a "quality" handgun go down after I had proof tested it, no. Is the bashing of this concept on this forum justified?. I don't see it. Its an idea, a concept, an opinion. There are experienced people who see it both ways. If you don't agree, say so and why, like a gentleman and let it go at that. To listen to you guys, a person would think you were talking religion, you are so fired up. Shoot your carry gun, it'll be all right..... more than likely!
 
Geez guys, check out all the vitrolic criticism here. Most of us have had a gun (or two) break. I know I have...and yeah, even a Glock 23 (early model-lost about 75% of the extractor blade). So I take a precaution that I personally can afford. Sure, I put quite a few rounds through my "carry" gun checking function, checking mags, ammo, point of aim/point of impact, etc, etc. But I still use the "training" gun for the major of the wear and tear "practice". It's the same gun...except for the serial number. Same sights, same weight, same barrel length, etc. Anyway, I'm really intertained by how "WR" has gotten all your dander up. Of course, that's part of the "forum fun". Stay safe.
 
One other thing: Because of this universal concern, and as I have posted before, I carry 1 auto and 1 wheelgun. The chances of both failing during the same SHTF situation are really slim. I figure if it does I am meant to die at that time.
 
Any poll derogatory to any member will be summarily deleted.

Ladies and gentlemen, please stay on the high road.
 
To Nwgun

mpact, etc, etc. But I still use the "training" gun for the major of the wear and tear "practice". It's the same gun...except for the serial number
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I enjoyed reading your post. I see that you are an experienced level headed type of guy that thinks things through.

I look forward to more of your posts. Remember the howling mob isn't taken seriosly or even read by a lot of non posting viewers. The real shame of it is there are a lot of people out there with real life experiences that hesitate to post and share this knowledge with us because of the behavior of the mob.

I personally get a good laugh out of the volitale volcanoes on this thread that have nothing of substance to add to the thread but spend all their time attacking me personally. It just shows that when they have no ideas or experience of their own that they only thing they can think of to post is personall attacks.

I personally enjoyed this thread very much even though it turned into a laughable circus.

I did learn some facts from the knowledgable and honorable posters like ART and Stephen Camp.

This is what is valuable about the forum. After you get past all the pernsonal attatacks by the bafoons you do run into the rare and valuable personal experiences of some of the experienced shooters on this forum. No we do not allways agree but to the posters like Art and Stephen I say to them I respect your views and often ponder your viewpoints and yes they do have an influence on my ways of thinking. W,R.
 
Were there the slightest substance to your argument, every police department and every other law enforcement agency would be issuing TWO guns to each member.

Please name me one agency that issues TWO primary carry handguns to its members.

WR, sometimes you get off on weird jags. Take a deep breath and turn off the computer for a couple of hours.
 
I enjoyed reading your post. I see that you are an experienced level headed type of guy that thinks things through.
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This is an old phrase in Romanian which means "I see you agree with me". :rolleyes:
 
I have always advocated as much practice as reasonably possible with the carry gun and carry ammunition. If you buy a cheap gun that will not stand up to sufficient practice to build competence and confidence, then you don't value your life very much.

Jim
 
WHAT a load! I've got a WWII era Ithaca 1911 that I've personally owned for 31 years, I have logbooks showing that I alone have put 76,119 rounds through it. I have no idea how many rounds were put through it prior to my ownership. I replace springs ever 5k rounds and every 15k rounds I have a top gunsmith (Wilson, Brown, Baer, Kings) inspect the gun for faults. It's still as dependable today as the day it came from the factory, sure, in true 1911 form it rattles like a babys toy, but at COMBAT range, it's as good as my 2 Wilson CQB's.

I have an original green Glock 17 that has a documented 66,791 rounds through it. This is my "casual" plinker and it has NEVER let me down. It has never seen the inside of a holster, the original finish is almost 95% intact. I've replaced the springs every 5k rounds and the factory inspects it ever 15k rounds and it shows no signs of letting up.

I could go on and on as I have well over 100 handguns in addition to longguns. The ONLY gun that has failed me was a Rossi ( yeah yeah, no jibes from the audience on this one ) that cracked it's top strap after 59 rounds of factory ammo.

I personally will never carry a gun for self defense unless it has survived a 2500 round torture test at the range. Currently I carry a G17 3rd gen with a G19 as a backup for magazine interchangability.
 
George,

"Your right... its not a new idea. Its been a stupid idea for many many years."

That's probably the most accurate statement in this thread! :)
 
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