Shotgun mythbusting chapter two

And for the previous guy...if you are pointing it, you are aiming it.
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Amsdork, you originally stated that you have to aim to hit a target, pointing won't work (at least for you). Now you're saying pointing is aiming. If that's now the case, then we can hit a target by pointing at it. You've just busted your own mythbust.
 
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zippy13, with regard to smaller shot, three problems.

1) At close ranges, the shot pattern tends to act like a solid mass - IE, birdshot will blast through drywall really efficiently within a few yards. And the solid-like mass covers a small area. (Aim - or good pointing - counts.)

2) At further ranges, a lot more pellets are flying. Each is individually less destructive, but there are more of them to potentially miss the target and wreak havoc on family members. (Aim counts.)

3) At ranges where the shot pattern has spread enough to not blast through walls like a solid, the shot pattern has spread enough that pellets achieve individual (vs massed) penetration on the BG. (I'll stick with my low-recoil 00, thanks, and point or aim the gun.)
 
Pointing

About pointing.....
Simply doing a search on Google for Patrick Flanigan or Tom Knapp and watching the resulting videos should be enough to convince even the most close-minded that point shooting can be accurate (obviously with a lot of practice).
Not wanting to search? Here is a link to a Flanigan video of him breaking seven hand thrown clays with a pump gun "from the hip".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR7xKNuxFI8

Pete
 
The results may have been predictable, but I can't even count how many people I've met over the years who think hip shooting a shotgun, especially one with a pistol grip instead of a buttstock, is the easiest thing in the world.

I watched a jackass put three rounds into the ceiling at the range where I used to work before I could get onto the range to stop him. Young punk who thought he knew it all. When he popped off at me I booted him off the range and out of the store.

I regularly see people trying this at the ranges I go to, so obviously someone thinks its easy and this video would be something new for them.


Last thing I'll say is this. If you don't have something constructive and engaging to say, then you don't have any reason to be posting in this thread.

If you think a snide comment is constructive and engaging, I'll be MORE than happy to show you how it's not.
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You can shoot shotgun on your range Mike? Are you talking hip shooting at skeet or something else?

I didn't know people who actually own shotguns and shoot them try hip shooting. Wow. :confused:
 
"I didn't know people who actually own shotguns and shoot them try hip shooting."

My cousin and I tried hip shooting when we were kids 50 years ago and would camp out on his grandparents' farm or on my grandparents'. Of course we couldn't afford a lot of ammo to practice, but we bought all we could manage and shot every round. You know how some kids would steal cigarettes from their parents? We pilfered ammo.

What we did was use firecrackers and cherry bombs to launch tin cans off of a flat rock and shoot at them with .22 rifles and shotguns. We were lousy hip shots. :)

Both farms backed up on mountains, so we had safe backstops.

John
 
And for the previous guy...if you are pointing it, you are aiming it.
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Seems ironic you contradicted yourself......:D

Have a nice time making videos, but perhaps you should refrain from calling them Mybusters - the folks who own that copyright might not appreciate that; that is unless you go work for them.....;)
 
zippy13, with regard to smaller shot, three problems...
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MLeake, your point is well made. I'm well aware of the discussions on the appropriate size for HD pellets, they continue ad nauseam. My concern is with Amsdork's assumption that his aiming techniques will keep all of his pellets in the BG and prevent any collateral damage. I find that absurd.
 
"You can shoot shotgun on your range Mike? Are you talking hip shooting at skeet or something else?"

Well, I've never known a skeet range to have a ceiling....

I'm in Northern Virginia, and a number of the ranges around here have allowed shotguns over the years, but only with slugs or buck shot. This guy was shooting buck shot.


"If you are pointing at something, you are aiming."

I would say no, you are not. Pointing infers general vicinity, while aiming infers precision.

Such as... I'm pointing my handgun at the bad guy. Now I'm aiming my handgun at the bad guy's nose.


"If anyone wants to bust a myth, what about the one that goes "You don't have to worry about hitting innocents if you aim.""

Well, you could film that, but you'd tend to go through a lot of innocents, and they get mighty mad when you shoot them.
 
"If anyone wants to bust a myth, what about the one that goes "You don't have to worry about hitting innocents if you aim.""

I'll let somebody else handle that video, I think it might get a bit costly, in terms of legal fees, and all, not to mention the death penalty potential, for me to get somebody to let me aim at them and others to let me try to hit them too.

:D
 
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