Shotgun mythbusting chapter two

However there is no reason that a we'll trained person shooting from the hip can't be effectively accurate at HD ranges.
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Sure there is....because no WELL-trained person is going to use that methodology.......;)

Hip shooting is great in Hollywood movies, as is the spray and pray methodology used in video games

Unfortunately, life is neither a Hollywood movie or a video game - there is no "do-over" switch when something goes wrong

Anyone with any modicum of balance and coordination can reflexively point better than aim and do it faster - do it home with your off-trigger hand's index finger and eyes closed to point to a spot on a wall like a light switch - then close your eyes and get you red-dot tacky-cooled shotgun and try to do the same as fast. That time you spend trying to focus your eye through the scope will usually mean you're dead in a real time scenario
 
Thanks, OneOunce.

And as for "red dot" if I'm not mistaken I think what people are referring to is not a red dot scope, but a laser aiming system, throwing a red laser dot down range.

I can see that being a very effective way to engage a target, accurately, and very quickly.
 
Years ago we was shooting clays with a 410 single shot. My good cousin Tanna (A girl) took the gun, aimed it to the sky said pull, turned her head, closed her eyes and powdered that clay :) wish I had a vid but that wasnt around in 1968 as it is today. So what does this tell us? turn the head and close the eyes will do it? Nah, means she was one lucky gal that day :)

I hunt a lot, shoot a lot of wild pheas and quail. Bird flushes I dont focus on that little bead on the end of the barrel. Eyes are on the game, gun naturally swings, shot hits the game kills it dead. That is how its done. Learn it, live it, enjoy it.
 
There's an older fellow who has videos of himself shooting clay birds from the hip.
He rarely misses them.
On the other hand, the last time I was at the range, there was a young fellow trying it, and he couldn't hit a stationary, 30" square cardboard target, from 25 yds.
Like most things, how successful it is depends on who is doing it.
 
And as for "red dot" if I'm not mistaken I think what people are referring to is not a red dot scope, but a laser aiming system, throwing a red laser dot down range.

I can see that being a very effective way to engage a target, accurately, and very quickly.
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Possibly, but if you are looking where your red beam is bouncing all over the place and not at the BG pointing his gun at you already - you are dead

When milliseconds counts, do you really want to be fumbling to make sure it is switched on and then that it is pointing at your intended targets? Your EYES are faster than anything when it comes to telling your brain what is happening and can result in your reactions being that much faster......how much? As long as it is faster than the BG, you are still alive

Try relying on your eyes and brains and not on gizmos and gadgets that can fail - like Murphy - at the wrong time
 
Then we are back to the need to be darn sure you are aiming at what you want to hit in a SD situation when using 00Buck.

Hence, my point.

:rolleyes:
 
Nope, we are back to proving that pointing your gun, using your index finger alongside the barrel, is the fastest way to bring the gun to bear...:cool:
 
Got another question for ya Amsdorf(even though you didn't answer the one about 'what choke you used in your vid':

Do you think you can shoulder a shotgun, aim and hit your target faster then someone can shoulder a shotgun,point and hit their target?
 
Again...

You are assuming somebody pointing from the hip can actually put all the pellets from 00Buck into the target.

I think that is a risky assumption.

But, I repeat myself.
 
You are assuming somebody pointing from the hip can actually put all the pellets from 00Buck into the target.
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Wow!

Where in the world did you get the idea I was assuming anything about shooting from the hip from this...

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Do you think you can shoulder a shotgun, aim and hit your target faster then someone can shoulder a shotgun,point and hit their target?
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Nothing in that question has or even hints of having anything to do with shooting from the hip.

:confused::confused::confused:

Did you mis-read the question or are you intentionally evading it?
 
You are assuming somebody pointing from the hip can actually put all the pellets from 00Buck into the target.
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All the pellets? With your 00-buck, it only takes one!

Armsdorf, the more you try to make your point, the more it seems your experience with shotgunning is quite limited. At my club, there were members who could hit doubles, from Skeet's station-4 with their gun behind their back (or above their head). Many clubs have members who enjoy developing their dismounted shooting skills.
 
Egads....

One pellet goes in bad guy the rest go..... where?

Through the wall, through the house, killiing or maiming loved ones in the house.

I'm sorry, you must be choosing to be obtuse. The point is you aim it in order to prevent pellets missing the intended target.

:rolleyes:
 
This could be an interesting grudge match. Say a healthy young stud like Amsdorf shooting against an inexperience point shooter like oneounceload, if they are located in the same part of the country.
 
From this answer...

if you are pointing it, you are aiming it.
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This...

This could be an interesting grudge match. Say a healthy young stud like Amsdorf shooting against an inexperience point shooter like oneounceload, if they are located in the same part of the country.
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...wouldn't take very long.

At any rate, at this point, given his above stated answer, I'm thinking the OP needs to learn a bit more basics about shotgunning before making many more shotgunning 'myth busting' video's....

....but I will say , with the likes of the experienced shotgunners that frequent this forum (oneounce,zippy,klawman, Lee Lapin, Slugo, BigJimP) just to mention a few, with the right attitude he's in the right place to learn.

Think I'll bow outta this one, sit back and see if I can learn a bit myself.

Thanks for the vid. OP.

Signed,

Previous Guy
 
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I'm sorry, you must be choosing to be obtuse. The point is you aim it in order to prevent pellets missing the intended target.
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I'm not being obtuse, you're missing the point, I'll say again from my post #19: Is that really your reasoning? A simpler answer is to use smaller shot, and not rely on your perfect aim and fat BGs. How are you going to tell your neighbor, "Sorry, I hit your child, I was using 00-Buck and the BG ducked."? And, don't rely on the BG stopping your pellets. It's my experience, a 00-Buck pellet may still be lethal after passing a fleshy mass.

Two of the basic rules of gun handling are know your target and know your background. I've never heard of use your target as a bullet trap.
 
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