shoplifting at walmart is hazardous to your health

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9mmsnoopy

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a 30 year old man died while in custody of a houston area walmarts "loss prevention squad", the guy had allegedly stolen a bb gun,some bb's and some sunglasses.

he was chased down and tackled in the parking lot. witnesses said the man was kicked and was held chest down on the hot concrete while shirtless for quite awhile. autopsy and toxicology reports are pending.

if it turns out that he was suffocated or that wal mart personnel were otherwise responsible for his death, his family is going to clean up.

if found to have kicked or otherwise beaten the man, they should face charges. having said that, i dont feel too bad for the "victim", the bottom line is that if he hadnt been thieving, he would still be alive today.

my lawnmower was stolen last week and my home and cars have been broken into over the years, so im not going to feel sorry for any thieving bastards.
 
Funny. Many here have stated that they will shoot someone stealing their property, and I know that this thread will probably have some of them saying that Wal-Mart had no right to do such a thing.
 
Looks like his survivors will own a Walmart or two.

He was chased down?! By "loss prevention" people?! I thought that was a MAJOR NO-NO for them!


Still, scumbags get as scumbags give. No right to complain, for the most part.

As far as some of us claiming a right to shoot property thieves but then complaining about Walmart personnel killing a shoplifter, well, I should not have to point out to you the differences between being robbed of your property, and a corporate entity being stolen from. There are numerous differences in the way a corporate entity is required to treat people on its property, contrasted with what is required of a private person on his own property.

The individual Walmart personnel involved in this case were not being stolen from: Walmart the corporation was being stolen from. Very different.


-blackmind
 
And I might add that Wal-mart recovers the cost of theft by adding on to the prices they charge - don't for a minute think that they don't count it all up and distribute the cost back into their merchandise, so in a sense they never actually lose. It's kind of like the principle that you can not actually tax a corporation - they just add the tax cost on to their product and their customers pay those taxes.

From the description it doesn't sound like a 30 year old man should have died from what they did. When all of the details are out we may be hearing a different story.....
 
Wal-Mart's SQUAT team kills an economic terrorist!

Jeez, I didn't know that the Wal-Mart SQUAT teams had morphed into death squads... :eek:

The guy was a scumbag for stealing, but since when does stealing earn the death penalty? I guess at Wal-Mart, it does!

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out, particularly since the Wal-Mart SQUAT teams are not sworn police officers and as such have no police powers...

Somebody's survivors are going to go from the trailer park to Park Ave (cue up the Jefferson's "Movin' On Up" theme song).

Seriously, these "security guard" wannabe cops needed to be reigned in a looooooong time ago, IMHO.
 
Nobody's life is worth $50. That cuts both ways.

Stealing is wrong. Killing someone for stealing is worse.


St. Peter, "Thou shall not kill. I'm afraid we can't let you in."
You, "Come on, Pete. There have to be extenuating circumstances."
St. Peter, "Sure, but I'm afraid VCR theft isn't one of them. Thanks for applying."
 
I don't feel any sympathy for the guy. Getting caught is a risk he assumed when he committed the crime.

As for Wal-Mart, unless they used excessive force, they should have been well within their rights. They were in hot pursuit and were detaining him until the proper authorities arrived from what I can tell. Wal-Mart losing basically means that if any of us ever see somebody steal from us, even when the chance of recovery is near zero, we must stand by helplessly and call the police.

The article never mentions how many employees were involved, or how much resistance the man offered. Kicking may have been uncalled for, but like Butch said, a 30 y.o. man should not die from the facts presented.
 
Theft is a problem that costs all of us dearly- and in the case of thefts from corporations they just pass the costs on.

I don't sympathise with the thief. Nor obviously do most here.
 
Ummm... it was an "alleged" theft. "the guy had allegedly stolen...". If it HAD, that'll come out too. If it turns out that they had the wrong guy (and yeah, that CAN happen), Sprawlmart is gonna be in for some hurt...
 
Securing Quality Using Aggressive Tactics?
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No, Securing Quantity Using Aggressive Tactics. No quality involved whatsoever. :D

As for my $0.02, they were within their rights to chase him and hold him until police came. Kicking may have been overboard, but it may not have been. We don't know how hard he was fighting back, if he was on PCP, etc... Don't judge another man until you've walked a mile in their shoes, you know.
 
Waaaay back when I was a butcher at a supermarket, chasing shoplifters was one of the highlights of the job. Once the chase is on, the average guys insticts kick in. I've pummelled cars and would have kicked the s**t out of one guy if a policeman hadn't turned up (that same guy was such a dumb junkie he was buying me drinks a few weeks later - didnt remember i guess).
That all stopped when some kid got himself killed with a lucky punch and all the stores stopped doing it :(
However, these guys were supposedly trained for the job and should react a little better than i used to.
 
Yes, the shoplifter shouldn't have stolen, and he bears responsibility for his actions...but so do the WallyWorld security ninjas.

The litmus test here ought to be this:

Would I face prison time if I had done the very same thing to a burglar, i.e. chased him out of my house, tackled him, held him down on 130-degree blacktop for ten minutes, dismissed bystander observations that the man stopped moving or breathing with the comment "he's just on drugs", failed to render CPR, and have the burglar die in front of my house?

If the answer to the above is "yes", then the WalMart security should face jailtime, too, regardless of the initial offense.

Self-defense is right and proper. Defending your stuff from getting stolen is right and proper. Killing someone without need and by sheer negligence over $50 of property is not right and proper, whether you're a citizen or the agent of a corporation.
 
Okay the guy took something he didnt pay for... a crime we good guys have to pay for... but is it really something he had to pay for with his life? NO it is not!!
 
Walmart has a nack at hiring some real idiots at times. I find especially in management. Good people dont seem to stay at Walmart. My wife worked at one part time and made it clear she had to leave by 10PM. The stores personnel dept said that would not be a problem and that management would be informed. One night 10pm came and she went to leave and the night manager had all the doors locked, She told him she had to leave and that it was part of the agreement when she was hired. The jerk refused to unlock the doors and said she had to stay until the whole store was cleaned and shelves checked and returns put away. She called me and I told her to call 911 and tell them she was being held against her will, and when she got out if she wanted too, to tell A-Hole take this job and shove it, she did.


She did and the dispatcher told her to put mr big on the phone, he was informed if he didnt let her out he would be arrested ASAP. he let my wife out What if there was a fire and idiot has the only keys and the doors are locked! The doors can be secured so only the exit function works, but Mr. big after all is a WALMART manager. I called the home office in AK and insisted on talking to a supervisor, I then let them know the situation and told them that what he had done was illegal and dangerous. I also let him know I have other friends working there and that if I heard of this again I would go to the local media.

Some people cannot handle the smallest authority, all of a sudden they become little Hitler. Walmart has one of the worst training programs anywhere, its called on the job and as you go! The other local Walmart had a store manager who just got out of the state prison for felonious sexual assault on a minor under 13 years of age. When people found out the response was less than possitive and they let him go, gee poor guy said he was victimized, what about his victim!!!!
 
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