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Just FYI.. the violence of mass shootings is obviously increasing. No [anti-gun person] can say its not. No NRA lover can say its not.

Both groups need to sit down and worry about solving this growing problem instead of worrying about legislation to control it ....or the rising costs or low stocks of magazines and bolt carriers.
 
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Apom,

Just FYI, the violence of mass murders is not increasing. Neither anti-gunners nor pro-rights people can say that it is.

I base my assertion on the data in Grant Duwe's book Mass Murder in the United States, which tracks mass homicides going back to 1900. Despite common perception, mass murders have been common throughout American history, and have closely followed the trends for other types of crime.

Incidentally, the most deadly attacks have used weapons other than guns.

What did you base your assertion on?

pax
 
Both groups need to sit down and worry about solving this growing problem instead of worrying about legislation to control it ....or the rising costs or low stocks of magazines and bolt carriers.
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Apom - no amount of speech and negotiating is ever going to stop evil, nor is any amount of laws. The people performing these acts don't care what the law says and neither will they care about some negotiation. The only way to stop evil is with lawful use of force, hence the 2A.

I totally want to stop the BGs too, but short of some North Korean style enforcement there is no way to stop these things other than to react and hopefully have a plan by the business, school or agency involved... The blame for these incidents fall squarely on the shoulders of those who committed the crime and those who voted in such a way that eventually the right to bear arms in whatever place wasn't allowed or socially acceptable... I understand lawful carriers aren't cops and shouldn't act as cops but at least some of the time lawful actions of carriers can and would stop some of this death... IMHO this blood is on the hands of the antis as well as the villains.. Talk is just talk on these types of issues and rarely accomplishes more than the waste of breath, you cant negotiate with terrorist, insane or just plain evil...
 
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Fingerpointing like in the post above is why politics in this country is so screwed up. The moderates who are actually interested in enacting meaningful change for everyone's benefit are drowned out by those on the extreme end calling the opposite side a terrorist or a communist.

This is a national tragedy, and those pointing fingers on either side ought to be ashamed. They haven't even finished counting the dead yet.
 
The bottom line is that people who do things like this are evil and insane. No amount of legislation, regulation, or discussion will make any difference. If they can't use guns, they will use explosives. Or knives, or poison gas, or any multitude of other things a madman can use to inflict harm.

The only answer to a gunman is another gunman, if you will, who works within the law. That's us, folks. That's why YOU CARRY YOUR SIDEARM EVERYWHERE THAT YOU LEGALLY CAN. Maybe you can't stop it, but you can be caught trying. A mass shooter can only be stopped by force or by his own hand, and only the use of force is within our control.

This is in reference to the mall shooting and other public shootings. The most recent shooting in Connecticut is somewhat different and the moderators have asked us to withhold discussion of it at this time. I agree with that decision and will abide by it. Keep the families and victims in your thoughts and prayers. Most of those involved were just little children.
 
The bottom line is that people who do things like this are evil and insane. No amount of legislation, regulation, or discussion will make any difference...
The only answer to a gunman is another gunman, if you will, who works within the law. That's us, folks
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I totally agree with you, Ben. Maybe it's time to seriously confront the matter of having locations where guns cannot be legally carried, as they seem to chosen as target areas by those crazy folks.

A legal carrier at least stands a chance of terminating the violence when it might continue otherwise.
 
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