Shooting animals for the sake of shooting them?

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Some people have no concept of what hunting is (and it is all different to all of us) and they want to sit in judgement of others.

I have neighbors that moved in from the city. All wildlife is "Pretty" to them, and they must spend a couple of hundred bucks a month feeding them critters.
They take a 10 pound bag of cat food and just tear it open and leave it on their porch for the cats, coons and what-ever else happens to come in. When they forget to feed the critters, they come wandering over to my place.

I was talking to a local conservation officer and he said he had talked to them before about feeding the feral and wild animals. There is a river running through their property and the wildlife follow it. There is a college about 10 miles from my place and when college lets out, there is a definite increase in the cat population.
 
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Come on down to TX and tell the cattle ranchers that the coyote population is "controlled." You might just get laughed off your northeastern high horse.
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The funny part is that he isn't form the northeast, he is from Tucson, Az.
If he would come up to Phoenix and I can show him our coyote population is way out of control. If he hunted quail, he would know the coyotes are decimating the quail population around the state.
 
When was the last time you saw a coyote hit by a car? They are far too intelligent to get hit unless sick, wounded etc.. No. their population is out of control, attacking livestock, pets and spreading disease. A friend of mine lost a german shepard to a pair of coyotes! I have to say they also keep the feral cat population down in urban areas (another out of control predator). I wish snares were legal in a lot more states, easier than leg-hold traps. In wild places they are not necessarily out of control, it is in metro-fringe areas where the real problem is, they eat garbage, cats, wildlife because of them being the oppurtunists that they are.
 
we all just need to realize that is us hunters and you.... non hunters or animal activist or whomever else is replying on here but we need to just face the facts that no matter how much we argue we're not going to change anyones minds, beliefs or actions and its a waste of or time, energy and efforts as long as we have or guns we'll do what we do and you can all get together and talk about how you are against it.
 
zahnzieh, it's a rare trip on I-10 from Tallahassee to Fort Stockton that I DON'T see at least one or two dead coyotes alongside the road.

Anybody from Tucson should know of the news reports of a couple of attacks on small children, as well as the commonplace killing of pets.
 
Coyotes on the highway...

zahnzieh: Actually, it's interesting that you would ask. Driving from central SC to northeastern NC, I noted two in my last drive. From central SC to central NC, I noted one between Charlotte and Greensboro. All three of these were in relatively rural locales--all on I-85 too... The coyote carcasses were in the median in each situation.
 
But their population IS controlled, by natural predation, animal control, and accidental car deaths. Cougars eat coyotes.
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Really? Well that's good to know, except we don't have Cougars in SE Kentucky. Their population is NOT controlled. It was said earlier in the thread, they are like rats and will populate until their food source is gone. Their food source being small farm animals.
 
on my last road trip, an iron butt, i tallied road kill, from nebraska to corpus christi: coyotes were only slightly edged out by racoons which numbered around 60.
 
A lot of the statements here against shooting critters like coyotes is much the same as was being said about the Mountain Lions in CA a few years ago. City dwellers and many in the country thought that because they never saw em it meant they weren't many around and thus needed protected. Now in CA. they have a problem and they are arguing with the bunny huggers over the best way to solve it. Meanwhile, many others are just performing the three S's and going about life.

Coyotes left unchecked are a problem and many times they are still a problem even in areas of high hunting pressure. Once you have coyotes in your area it's 100% impossible to remove them completely, If you don't want to believe this there is nothing I can do to change you mind. Maybe when a yote takes fluffy you will change your mind as many in CA> are doing about the Mountain Lions.

LK
 
I'm no "northeastern lib" like you all will think I am; I'm from Oklahoma and have lived in Texas for 8 years.

I grew up with plenty of people that went out shooting animals because it gave them pleasure to kill something.

That said, I understand how coyotes can be pests and kill livestock and I've seen firsthand the damage that pigs can do. However, people should be aware that there are people out there that get itty bitty stiffies from shooting animals.
 
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I shoot yotes because it's fun and it's legal. There are plenty of them. Any questions?
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Yeah, see, to me this IS a sick person. There should be no joy in killing. I tend to take the Native American perspective to hunting/killing; do it when necessary, and never take joy/pleasure in it, but give thanks instead.
 
I haven't had the opportunity to but I want to (I don't have the opportunity to as I am newly married and she is still in school so I'm kind of still supporting both of us and we don't have any land.). I also don't have anywhere to put a deer, as all we have is a tiny refrigerator in our apartment. I have taken my hunter's safety course.

What I have also done, however, is killed and gutted a fish, so I obviously have no problem killing something... if it is not going to waste. I've also shot turtles in a pond(when I was young/growing up we had land) as they were eating ducks and fish. I got no joy from it, as I find turtles fascinating and had a pet turtle as a kid. It most certainly did not make me feel good about myself, nor did I find it "fun".
 
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It is always the people that don't deal with a problem that see no problem, and coyote and wolf predation is a major problem here in SW Montana. The major, and almost the only, industry in SW Montana is cattle ranching and most of the Western Angus beef most of you buy at the grocery store comes from here. It is a financial disaster for a rancher to lose a large number of calves over the course of a winter which is calving season. I won't even start on the wolf problem as this thread is about coyotes.

Anyone who has hunted either animal has found that they aren't easy to get a sight picture on, and it is most certainly not like "shooting fish in a barrel". In this area the coyotes are very educated and most will not respond to a caller. In fact most of the time calling or using an electronic caller is counter productive as they have learned that it is probably a hunter and vamoose the AO quickly.

Most of my shots on coyotes are at medium (500 yards) to long range only, and are taken at sunrise or sunset depending on the moon phase. I scout for sign (tracks) in the most likely avenue of approach to the dinner they hope to get, and then set up to catch them en-route from their den to the dinner table. My sets are all on cattle ranches and are among the cattle as that is where you find the bastards. They eat the afterbirth and the calves, and as pointed out by someone else in this thread, will attack a cow in the middle of giving birth to take the calf when the cow is virtually helpless. I have seen a number of new born calf carcasses that have accidentally been stomped by the mother trying to defend the calf from coyotes or wolves also.

Coyotes are the most adaptable predator on the face of this planet and are the only predator that you will find coexisting in a built up urban or even a city environment. I have seen coyotes in broad daylight in a city or in the suburbs walking around like a stray dog going from trash can to dumpster looking for a meal, and the residents of the area not even aware that the animal isn't a dog! The last time I witnessed that was in the Southside of Chicago at 103rd Street and Damen Avenue. The batsard was walking through a field by a liquor store and there was a crowd of people hanging out there that were totally oblivious to the animal which was no further than 50 to 75 yards from them, and again IN BROAD DAYLIGHT! He trotted across the field and entered an alley behind a restaurant and went straight for the dumpster as if he owned the place.
 
"The coyote is a survivor,
I reckon he's got to be;
Lives in the snow at 40 below,
And in Malibu-by-the-sea..."

Ian Tyson
 
Bolosniper, I see a world of difference between your righteous endeavors and those of "thrill killers."

There are numerous 'hunters' who truck thousands of varmint rounds to South Dakota just to see pieces of animals fly apart.

Contrast that to hunter safety courses and responsible management of ducks and whitetail dear. Would a person schooled from these ranks go fishing with dynamite?

In Wisconsin, we call those guys "slob hunters." They'll cut a fence and trespass while they're whining about their rights. They excuse their abuses by implying that anyone who eats meat and derides their conduct must be a hypocrite.
 
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Bolosniper, I see a world of difference between your righteous endeavors and those of "thrill killers."

There are numerous 'hunters' who truck thousands of varmint rounds to South Dakota just to see pieces of animals fly apart.

Contrast that to hunter safety courses and responsible management of ducks and whitetail dear. Would a person schooled from these ranks go fishing with dynamite?

In Wisconsin, we call those guys "slob hunters." They'll cut a fence and trespass while they're whining about their rights. They excuse their abuses by implying that anyone who eats meat and derides their conduct must be a hypocrite.
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You are tying together two entirely unrelated behaviors. One is legal and responsible, the other illegal and irresponsible.

I have great fun shooting woodchucks. I do NOTHING with them besides drop them in a hole. I laugh when they explode. Iv'e never shot a prairie dog but I would gladly do so with 1000s of rounds of ammunition and laugh while doing it.

I have NEVER cut a fence and trespassed. I have never left a property in worse condition than I found it. I am NOT a "slob hunter" and I resent the implication that I am one simply because I kill animals that I don't eat.

Your "contrast" of hunting prairie dogs versus hunters safety courses and management programs is a non-starter. There is nothing unsafe about shooting prairie dogs and there is no violation of "game management" ideals. There is a hardly a shortage of crop destroying, animal injuring equipment damaging rodents in this world.
 
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Anyone who "laughs" while killing something is a sicko, at least in my book. I understand your desire to control pests, but killing should not be a pleasure. It should only be done as necessary.
 
Anyone who "laughs" while killing something is a sicko, at least in my book. I understand your desire to control pests, but killing should not be a pleasure. It should only be done as necessary.
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I'm not laughing at the killing. I'm laughing at the "spectacle". How am I any less moral if I use only a gun that does minimal damage? That's just makes no sense. I laugh at the results not at the "killing".



"should"

"should not"

"necessary"


Say who?
 
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