Seriously, explain Democrats to me?

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Why care what a person does in their private life, with another consenting adult (please, folks, Monica knew what she was doing)?
The crux of the matter was not Clinton banging some political groupie. Clinton comitted perjury, a felony crime. As a result, he should have been removed from office, period.

When you are under oath, you don't get to lie; you don't get to pick and choose which questions you want to answer and which you don't. You answer truthfully, or pay the price - unless your name is Clinton.
 
The crux of the matter was not Clinton banging some political groupie. Clinton comitted perjury, a felony crime. As a result, he should have been removed from office, period.

Still, I wonder why it was the business of congress, the press, and anyone other than Bill Clinton, Monica, and Hilary. Why should he have been forced to testify before congress on an issue that amounted to nothing more than bad judgement in is personal life?

Also, can you imagine any fate so cruel, and torturous, as having to sleep with Hilary, and only Hilary? Where's the compassionate conservatism? :D
 
Lord Clinton's special privelages

Why should he have been forced to testify before congress on an issue that amounted to nothing more than bad judgement in is personal life?
Because -
When you are under oath, you don't get to lie; you don't get to pick and choose which questions you want to answer and which you don't. You answer truthfully, or pay the price
Unless, of course, your name is Bill Clinton.:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
You do know that Clinton could have pleaded the fifth if he didn't want to lie under oath, don't you?

Blackwater, that was a good post, er 2 good posts. :D
 
Blackwater,
Looks like I fit in where I'm supposed to be then :D
TBT there are a few party policies I disagree with. FI our foreign policy is pretty weak.
 
Been reading some politically analysis:

There is a great divide between the liberatarian right and the social conservative right. This has to be acknowledged.

The latter consist a great threat to liberty and democracy. They are not a force for freedom but instead an authoritarian, controlling force that could easily mutate in the extreme to an American Taliban. However, some gun folks are quite alright with this as long as they can own guns.

The Democrats are for the most part antigun. They have whacky stuff in their extremes. However, I don't find them to be as personally controlling of individual liberaties as the social right.

That is the great quandry. Totalitarians who let you keep your gun or much more social freedom but tighter gun controls.

There is no happy medium.
 
Wow - this thread has digressed to talking about Monica Lewinski? Lord, we will never get anywhere.

By the way, I am a libertarian Democrat. There are plenty in the west (not CA), fewer back east.

By my reckoning, the Republicans are wrong about:

abortion
separation of church and state
teaching evolution
environment
4th amendment
1st amendment
the budget (nowadays)

they are right about:
guns/2nd amendment
welfare
personal responsibility
 
Lies about sex pale in comparison to deliberate lies about a cause for a war.

About the Democrats being controlling - yes, they can be. It is a value judgement but I find the social conservatives of the GOP more controlling about basic constitutional issues and personal freedoms than the Democrats (except for the gun issue). When one sees an increase in irrational measures of control that intrude on personal life and are based on only one subgroup's view of religion - that is a fundamental threat to democracy.

Everywhere in the world and in most of history when we see religion coming to the fore in governmental policies, we see that civilization on the way to failure as a modern society.

That is the great threat of the social conservative branch of the GOP - the libertarians, economic conservatives - fine and dandy - no problem - their ideas can be debated. But those who want to use the state as an intrusive control over personal freedom and an agent to promote one's religion - nope.

It is a shame that the democrats are loaded with some of their own crackpots. To be concrete, however, over spending on welfare is not as bad as trying to ban fundamental science, the teaching of science, personal liberty and the like.

As far as free speech - PC speech codes in schools, flag burning amendments - both parties forget the BOR.
 
When one sees an increase in irrational measures of control that intrude on personal life and are based on only one subgroup's view of religion - that is a fundamental threat to democracy.
ooh oooh but America is supposed to be a christian nation as it was founded by christians, right? :p By white slave owning christian men, for white slave owning christian men. Am I rite? ^_^
 
Wow - this thread has digressed to talking about Monica Lewinski? Lord, we will never get anywhere.

I don't think it's possible for intelligent, reasonable to discuss modern American politics without digressing somwhere.

Think about it, the Repubilcans called out Clinton, and said "you had sex, non-reproductive sex! You can't be president anymore"!

The Democrats respond with "Please define what sex is"?

Silly as it is, this was the big issue of the day.

And we let these people lead us. It amazes me how a third party can't thrive in the current political climate. The thread title is "Seriously, explain Democrats to me". My response is: Bozos on both sides.
 
Bozos on both sides.
"Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, Here I am, stuck in the middle with you, and I don't know what it is I should do."

Or so the song goes.

While there are factions within each party, they have evolved from central themes of Crown vs. States, States vs Fed, People vs Business, Socialist Secular vs. Right Wing Religious (only a certain type of religion mind you), to become... "Whatever will get me elected cause we're all really the same kind of liars who just want to spend spend spend only we have different special interests backing us and we know what's best for all of you"

Call me a cynic. :rolleyes: (cynic)

Get involved on the local level. Eschew the national level as best you're able.
 
Spahrtan; I respect the way in which you have expressed you views; although I do disagree with quite a few of them.

As to this:

I can't justify refusing emergency care to those who need it, and further, preventative care is cheaper to give out than emergency care.

Evidently you have never been on a stretcher with life threatening injuries, yet had delayed surgery because of over crowded hospitals that are literally packed to the brim with illegals.

Because of my racing motocross for so long; I've had quite a few visits to the hospital (13 broken bones; including a compound fracture of the femur and tibula at the same time).

I have had a wrist that was in the shape of an "s", yet still waited in the waiting room behind illegals who's kid had a bad cough; and since they don't have insurance to go to a regular doctor's office; they go to the emergency room where they have to be given treatment.

I live in So. Cal; the illegals are so abundant I could throw a rock and hit 50 of them. They have taken over neighborhoods, with 5 families to a house. The crime that follows drives the rest of the neighbors out of town or out of state.

They undermine American workers; since they don't have to pay taxes, they work for less. And none of this BS of how they are doing the work Americans won't. I believe we had agriculture before illegals; back before tractors where highly advanced and much manual labor was required.

I also don't buy when people say it would be impossible to round them up. Hitler rounded up millions of people. I'm not advocating we do anything like he did to the illegals. I'm just saying it is possible to identify and detain that many of a particular culture.

Deport them. It's that simple. We can put a man on the moon; but we can't put an illegal in Mexico?
 
"""The left forced us to retreat from Nam......how many millions did the Khmer Rouge murder after we left?""


~~just a thought wasnt that in Cambodia, we wernt suppose to be involved with that anyways?


Personaly i find that you cant support one given party, may vote mostly one party but I would never vote straight balot, never can be sure what scum will slip in with the rest, specialy localy you find people dont always support issues you think repub. would even when their running under that party.. just my thoughts
 
Spahrtan; I respect the way in which you have expressed you views; although I do disagree with quite a few of them.

I consider this a great compliment, thank you. Discussions tend to be the most productive if you can take the heat out of them, and thats how i try to participate, with mutual respect

Evidently you have never been on a stretcher with life threatening injuries, yet had delayed surgery because of over crowded hospitals that are literally packed to the brim with illegals.

Luckily, no i haven't. But, and maybe this is the bleeding heart liberal in me, but i dont consider my life to be more important than the average Juan-illegal-alien.

BUT, as i understand it this isnt what you're talking about. I agree that they take american jobs, and i dont want them in agriculture (as thats where half of my family draws their income).

As to rounding them up, im sure its possible, but not without stamping all over the civil liberties of LEGAL MEXICAN AMERICAN IMMEGRANTS. Now unless you and I are willing to have our rights trampled, i cant justify trampling theirs. Not all Mexican natives are illegal here, so you cant just round up anyone with a dark tan.

Truth is i dont think the right answer has surfaced yet, i sure dont have it. But my ears are open.
 
Spahrtan, Bill Clinton never got a majority of votes.
Goslash, What exactly has Tom Delay been charged with? or convicted of?I am also still waiting for your answer to my last question regarding your assertion that American servicemen ar indescriminately capping Iraqi civilians. I was unaware that anyone had been convicted of this. If I am wrong please tell me. ERIC
 
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