Seriously, explain Democrats to me?

[Blackwater OPS]

I sure don't believe that a group of people whose primary interest is making profit can be trusted to properly compensate and care for their worker’s quality of living. They might not mistreat them intentionally, but it ISNT going to be their main concern.

No, it's the workers main concern, NOT the governments.

Haha, well my position on gun control should be beyond question. But I don’t think anyone (either party) smiles at those folks having nukes; if you really think so then you need to quit believing everything your party tells you about the guys across the aisle.

I sure as hell don't trust the government with them. How many have they lost? I know MANY people more responsible than the government. No one should have these.

I'll admit I haven’t made up my mind on this issue. The real problem (in my opinion) is that modern printing, digital/technological advances, and a general shift of public interest has made art a dying trade. Some people might not care about this but I think the ability of humans to create is what separates us from beasts. BUT I’ve seen some of the junk to receive federal funding which I sure wouldn’t want over my mantle piece.

No, it has made YOUR idea of art a dying trade, while creating many new kinds of art which are in fact more accessible by everyone.

Versus spending years denying that global temperatures are even changing? But seriously, No I don’t think SUV's are the sole cause of global warming, but you'd be hard pressed to prove that dependence on fossil fuels isn’t a problem on many levels, and I think there is a conflict of interest for oil men to be the ones finding a solution.

Dependance of fossil fuels has nothing to do with global warming.

My personal experiences with friends, coworkers, and studying history make it clear to me that homosexuality is also an unconscious, unchangeable trait.

Unconscious? They don't know they are gay? And what about the MANY people who have changed, are were happier after, esp. before medicine was forced to abandon them in the 70's?

One of my biggest pet peeves with my party is the history of throwing money at a problem without making sure they're hitting the mark. I’m sure there are more than a few African rulers getting rich off well-meaning aid money. But promoting abstinence/chastity/fidelity and refusing to supply condoms isn’t going to help either. People of all cultures sleep around, always have, always will.

Exactly the point, promoting anything is not going to help, people make and are fully responsible for their own decisions. If there was one thing I wish your party could understand it is that.

My biggest pet peeve with parents: placing all blame on the teacher. The best teacher in the world can use all his skills (despite being paid less yearly than a low level manager at Wal-Mart) to teach a kid. But if the kid is never taught (buy the parents) hard work, taught that school is important, and have a parent actively involved in their schooling, are they going to care enough to learn? Also, I think sex ed. is a bit silly. I learned every reproductive organ and absolutely nothing about sex other than "wait til you're married". Well here’s news to anyone who forgot since their high school days, teens have sex, they have in all generations. So teaching them not to do it (they will anyways) without explaining REAL contraception methods is entirely ineffective.

Again, you make my point. The teachers need to stay out of it and let parents do their jobs. The problem here is parents thinking they don't have to do it be cause it's done in school.

"10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it."

Could you be more specific? I’m sure you have an example in mind, but I don’t understand what you're addressing. (But I do work 40+ hours a week welding plus take 15 credit hours per semester in college).

I am going to say this as simply as I can Your. Party. Gives. Handouts.

Socialism has worked, and continues to work, in small, mostly hunter-gatherer societies. However, no, it has no place in a huge, ultra-connected modern world. Skilled labor is more valuable to a society than unskilled labor, but they are both needed. Pay the pediatrician and the nano-engineer more than the Wal-Mart clerk, of course. But make sure that the wal-mart clerk can afford to take his child to the pediatrician.

The wall mart clerk needs to ensure that him or herself by demanding pay high enough to do so and thus setting the price paid by the pediatrician for the clerks services.

A bit of the stuff you said I agreed with or you took no position, BTW I am Libertarian not Republican.

 

[DasBoot]

Bass, Thanks! I just couldn't remember his foul name!

Ryan,
Thank-you for coming to the party!
Apparently the thread IS valid enough for you to respond to.

A gang of people who obviously have their minds made up and seem very close-minded baiting the clear minority.

I can only speak for myself.
The reasons I feel as i do have come about by watching and listening to the world around me (born in 55) and time after time after time, when something happens that should, just for decencies sake, elicit some form of reprimand, there are the dems standing up for the perpetrators.
Case in point......Why is it ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE for a dem to say 'What Clinton did was dispicable".
What he did has nothing to do with party.
A United States president SHOULD NOT cheat on his wife and have sex in the White House!
Period!
And the hypocrisy is amazing!!
Where were all the Feminists.
Here was an authority figure taking advantage of a subordinate.
WHY CAN'T DEMS JUST ADMIT IT WAS WRONG?
Case in point......When the Louisianna senator, Jefferson I think it was, was caught with $90K stuffed in his freezer, there was a hugfe contingent of dems that rallyed to his support....Nancy Pilossi amongst them.
Again, the dems turn a blind eye to outrageous/criminal behaviour.
The crime was so blatant though that they HAD to vote him out of his committee position.
Why would something as detrimental to the lives and education of urban youth be supported by members of the left?
I speak of Ebonics.
Again, flagrant hypocrisy!
They champion themselves as protectors of the underclass, yet would allow a program that would set these kids back years and almost insure they not get hired for anything other than menial jobs.
Again, this has nothing to do with party.
IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE!!
Have you read what the senate dems had in their immigration proposal?
Almost to the man, they supported amnesty and financial incentives........FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!!
You shouldn't have to belong to a particular party to want our borders secure and LAW BREAKERS THROWN OUT!
Yet the dems support that which would have a disasterous effect on this country.
WHY?
The profess to support women's rights, yet would like to pull out of Iraq, ensuring that the women there return to a life of subjugation.
Being treated like dirt, never going to school, etc!!
This what the dems want?!?!
Am I wrong on any of these points?
All I know is that when there is something that I would instictually say NO! to, you can bet that the dems are saying yes!
Help me out here Ryan.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

I sure as hell don't trust the government with them. How many have they lost? I know MANY people more responsible than the government.

Good point, Blackwater OPS!

The Guvvmint has lost many nukes - hell, losing one nuke is too many. On the other hand, I have never lost one of my guns.

I'll bet the vast majority of gun owners can say the same.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

Why is it ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE for a dem to say 'What Clinton did was dispicable".

You'll sooner see a vampire on on the beach in St. Martin, working on his tan.

Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) hits a Capitol Police offier - they people charged with protecting her life. No problem - fine and dandy - no charges - no consequences - no comment.

If it had been a Republican House member that had hit a Capital Police officer, the rage would have been heard around the world. He/she would have been forced from office and crucified.

Don't look now Democrats, your double standard is showing.:barf: :barf: :barf:

What hypocracy.

 

[DasBoot]

That's my point Earnest!
Why does it seem that, to dems, all behaviour is acceptable.

 

[Spahrtan]

Blackwater OPSA number of replys below

No, it's the workers main concern, NOT the governments.

I assume this and the Wal-Mart comment is a collective labor (union) reference. But my problem with this is that the people with the money (Wal-Mart, for example) are going to weather the war of attrition because their workers are easily replacable, and have more capital to fall back on than your average working-man. I agree that the worker shouldnt depend on the goverment to solve his own problems, but i see no harm in the government setting a bottom line (such as minimum wage) to ensure a living.

No, it has made YOUR idea of art a dying trade, while creating many new kinds of art which are in fact more accessible by everyone.

As stated, i dont have a hard and fast opinion on this issue, and I am bias in my classical training in fine arts.

Dependance of fossil fuels has nothing to do with global warming.

If, indeed, the burning of fossil fuels contributes even 1% to global warming then they are related.

Unconscious? They don't know they are gay? And what about the MANY people who have changed, are were happier after, esp. before medicine was forced to abandon them in the 70's?

Unconscious as in not a conscious decision. The only "success stories" I've ever heard used aversion therapy. Such things as electro-shock when viewing nude homo-erotic images. Resulting in mental-pain during future viewing of such images. The only "conversion" i've ever seen in person is a guy named Joe who my ex- went to school with. He "fixed himself" only after his parents told him he was no longer a part of their family if he was gay. Believe him if you like, im sceptical.

Exactly the point, promoting anything is not going to help, people make and are fully responsible for their own decisions. If there was one thing I wish your party could understand it is that.

agreed, however a starving child in a 3rd world country had nothing to do with how they got there. The only organization i give more donations to than the NRA is the Christian Children's Fund. Hand out? i suppose, but as long as the money goes where it's supposed to im okay with that. I see it as start-up capital for a new world.

I am going to say this as simply as I can Your. Party. Gives. Handouts.

I'll be the first to admit we aren't going about it right. Start teaching people to fish, rather than just feeding them for a day.

Earnest T. Bass

Some try to change the system from the outside, some from the inside. Politcal parties evolve just like people.

Ryan

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

Not all behavior - just all their behavior.

Ann Coulter dogs "The Jersey Gals" in her new book and she is worse than a child molester in the Democrats' eyes; Al Frankin says conservatives are "All a bunch of m***er-f**kers who should drink poison and die" and that's okay.

If that doesn't qualify as hypocracy, I don't know what does.

 

[Spahrtan]

Why is it ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE for a dem to say 'What Clinton did was dispicable".

Allow me to be the first

Certainly i see the conflict, for a job that is supposed to require integrity. But i dont find it to be an impeachable offense, as it has nothing do do with anything he did in repects to his job as president. (yes she was a subordinate, but it was consentual) i just dont think its warrents an impeachment....and i dont even like the guy.

Don't support ebonics for the same reasons you stated, and i leave immegration reform to those whom it effects (not me here in indiana).

And i don't think we can pull out of Iraq right now, i think that was a party gamble on public opinion.


You'll never hear me claim to love my party. Just the one that i chose as the lesser of two evils for what is most important to me. (humanitarianism)

 

[DasBoot]

Spahrtan,
Maybe there's hope for you yet!

Allow me to be the first

I like that!
But let's clear something up.

(yes she was a subordinate, but it was consentual) i just dont think its warrents an impeachment....and i dont even like the guy.

Consent is irrelevant.
It was our WHITE HOUSE!
It deserves more respect than that.
Would it be OK for 2 consenting adults to have sex in a church or temple?
As for the impeachment, you make the same "mistake" every other dem I've heard make.
He was NOT impeached for having sex in the Oval Office.
HE WAS IMPEACHED FOR LYING UNDER OATH!!!!!!!
A minor point conveniently overlooked by dems when discussing the issue.

This one really shocked me!

and i leave immegration reform to those whom it effects (not me here in indiana).

COME-ON MAN!!!
IMMIGRATION EFFECTS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY!!!
You sound like a sensible fellow Ryan.
Think about this issue.
It's important!!
At your age, I didn't give politics a thought.
Humanitarianism takes many forms.
"Giving" everything to people does not help them become independent, but makes them dependent on the giver.
You'll come around, I'm sure.

 

[Redworm]

If it had been a Republican House member that had hit a Capital Police officer, the rage would have been heard around the world. He/she would have been forced from office and crucified.

What makes you think a Democrat politician gets any more special treatment than a Republican?

 

[Spahrtan]

HE WAS IMPEACHED FOR LYING UNDER OATH!!!!!!!
A minor point conveniently overlooked by dems when discussing the issue.

I'll grant that. But I still take into account WHAT he lied about. A majority vote from the electorate is a pretty big statement, too big to be reversed on that kind of issue.

And not that this changes anything, but i bet if the White House could talk, we'd have much more interesting stories than that.

COME-ON MAN!!!
IMMIGRATION EFFECTS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY!!!

I saw this reply comming Make no mistake, i think about every issue, but i dont always come to conclusions. Therefore i concede the floor to those with convictions and direct influence. When i decide what i think, i'll let ya'll know.

"Giving" everything to people does not help them become independent, but makes them dependent on the giver.

I give to children's charities because they're too young not to be independant. See my gospel paraphrase fish comment...actually here it is for you...

Start teaching people to fish, rather than just feeding them for a day.

 

[DasBoot]

You're slippin'again!

But I still take into account WHAT he lied about.

Spoken like a true dem!
So lying under oath isn't lying if, in your opinion, the "lie" is of a minor nature.

Make no mistake, i think about every issue, but i dont always come to conclusions. Therefore i concede the floor to those with convictions and direct influence. When i decide what i think, i'll let ya'll know.

Again, a no-brainer situation that does not require lengthy deliberation.

Answer this for me please:
1) Do you think we should make our borders as strong as possible so we can manage who does, and who does not, come into this country?

2) Do you think illegals already in this country should be granted blanket amnesty?

3) Do you think we should grant illegals all manner of social services ie: free education, no-tuition college educations, free medical care, drivers licenses, the right to vote, etc?

4) Should there be very stiff fines on companies that willingly hire illegals?

That's a start.

 

[Blackwater OPS]

i see no harm in the government setting a bottom line (such as minimum wage) to ensure a living.

Well let me explain it to you. It's economics 101. Minimun-wage laws hurt the low-skilled workers they are intended to help. Raising the minimum wage hurts these workers even more. We all know that if the government raised the minimum wage by $20 an hour, many employees would be laid off. Businesses hire workers only when the workers create more revenue than they cost in wages and compensation. We know that many workers' productivity is less than $7.75 an hour, and that they would be laid off if the minimum wage were even that high. What good does it do someone to know that an employer must pay him $2 an hour if the fact that he must be paid that amount is what keeps him from getting a job, or prevents him from keeping it?

 

[Spahrtan]

Spoken like a true dem!
So lying under oath isn't lying if, in your opinion, the "lie" is of a minor nature.

Of course its a lie, and a punishable one at that. But NOT punishable by impeachment. I WILL NOT be convinced that THAT lie was worthy of an impeachment, under oath or not. Call me stubborn

Well let me explain it to you. It's economics 101.

My example was not a perfect one. Suffice it to say that i do believe that if a goverment is capable of helping to ensuring a living for its people, it should do so. Whether it is inheritly its responsibility or not. Do i have the answer to how that cna be done without making the workers lazy/dependant? Nope, sure don't

Again, a no-brainer situation that does not require lengthy deliberation.

Answer this for me please:
1) Do you think we should make our borders as strong as possible so we can manage who does, and who does not, come into this country?

2) Do you think illegals already in this country should be granted blanket amnesty?

3) Do you think we should grant illegals all manner of social services ie: free education, no-tuition college educations, free medical care, drivers licenses, the right to vote, etc?

4) Should there be very stiff fines on companies that willingly hire illegals?

1.yes
2.blanket amnesty, no
3.yes (the kids dont need to suffer for the parent's sins), no, not free (but i can't justify turning away a bleeding man, yes (because they'll drive anyways, at least this way there is a system of accountability) and absolutely not.
4.extremely stiff and painful

But if i lived in mexico or anywhere else, i would do whatever i had to to feed my family. And therein lies my reservation.

But enough for one night I have a date im late for.

Evening everyone.

 

[Cowman]

All this aside, here's the plain truth.


The #1 reason for voting Democrat is the Republican party.

The #1 reason for voting Republican is the Democrat party.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

It's the perjury

But i dont find it to be an impeachable offense, as it has nothing do do with anything he did in repects to his job as president.

Clinton comitted perjury, which is a felony crime. Comitting A felony most certainly is grounds for impeachment.

The crux of the matter was Clinton's comitting a felony, not his shagging a starry-eyed trampette. The rest of us cannot go to court, commit perjury and get off scot-free; Clinton should have had to pay for his crime with removal from office.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

What makes you think a Democrat politician gets any more special treatment than a Republican?

Oh, I don't know... Maybe it's the blatant double standard the Democrats and their media lap dogs employ, the latest example of which is

Ann Coulter dogs "The Jersey Gals" in her new book and she is worse than a child molester in the Democrats' eyes; Al Frankin says conservatives are "All a bunch of m***er-f**kers who should drink poison and die" and that's okay.

An even more flagrant display of the Democrat and media double standard was the McKinney incident -

Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) hits a Capitol Police offier - they people charged with protecting her life. No problem - fine and dandy - no charges - no consequences - no comment.

She should have been removed from office, period. Any Republican Congressman would have been forced from office for such an act.

Trent Lott was forced from his position as Senate majority leader for saying something nice about Jesse Helms at a PRIVATE birthday party; McKinney attacks a police officer at the Capitol and gets off scot-free.

Double standard, plain and simple.

Even Wikipedia recognizes the double standard:

Once reported in newspapers and television, calls for his resignation as majority leader from both ends of the political spectrum grew. Some Democrats and Republicans considered the remark unconscionable, or as Al Gore put it, "fundamentally racist," and many conservative groups and media were quick to distance themselves from Lott and criticize the incident. Centrist Democrats and Republicans at first defended Lott, insisting the remarks had been blown out of proportion. Some pointed to Sen. Robert Byrd's past as recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan to suggest a double standard, as Byrd was not forced from his leadership position in the Democratic party. Others saw Lott's remarks as simply an attempt to compliment the ancient Thurmond, devoid of any real meaning beyond the context.

 

[DasBoot]

Hey Spahrtan.....
How was that date?
Or are you still on it??
It's tough pulling yourself away from this thing when the thread is good, isn't it!
Anyway, judging from your answers, you're a Republican(almost) but don't know it.
Most of your answers to that particular group of questions pretty much echo my own.
However, do you think it's right that I should have to work 7 days a week to provide for my family, education included, yet someone here illegally can get that same education free of charge and not even have to get out of bed in the morning?
My taxes went towards building that school.
Building the roads leading to that school.
Supporting the mass transit system that maintains the vehicles that travel those roads on their way to that school.
The books, supplies, teacher's salaries, etc, etc.
All paid for by my tax contribution and the contributions of millions of Americans.
Yet you think that because someones parents were lucky enough break our laws and evade authorities, we should reward them by providing them and/or their children with a free education.
Are you aware that in some colleges, out west....perhaps California, if you are illegal you do not have to pay out of state tuition.
BUT MY KID WOULD!
How is THAT humanitarium?
Dems are supposed to be all for fairness and equality.
Does that sound like a "fair and equal" situation to you?
As for health care, I'm not suggesting an injured individual be thrown out of the hospital, but emergency rooms across the nation, especially in border areas, are jammed with illegals seeking every possible form of care.
The result so far has been the closing of many hospitals because they cannot pay the expenses they incur by administering to these people.
The cost of my son's birth was around $15K.
Multiply that by several thousand, if not million, "illegal" births.
And Mexican families are not known for having only one child!

Don't get me wrong dude!
I've spent a good deal of time South of the Border.
The people, food, music and country are beautiful.
That's irrelevent!
If you come here, come here LEGALLY!
If we stumble upon an illegal, he/she + family should be sent back.

Do you belong to any clubs, say, a gym?
I'm sure you pay a fee to use the facility.
That fee goes to pay staff, keep machines and equipment in good shape, custodial staff, etc.
What do you think the place would be like in say, 2yrs, if they did away with membership requirements and let everyone in for free.
And if you snuck in, you could stay anyway.
You know as well as I do the place would go down hill fast.
I don't want that to happen to this country.
PAY THE MEMBERSHIP FEE AND ENJOY ALL THE PRIVALEGES.

As for licenses, I still see that as another incremental perk in an effort to legitimize what these people are doing.
If you apply for an "illegal" license, you are now IDd as an illegal.
There's one more on his way back home!

No, we cannot round them up en masse, but we CAN send them back when we find them.

But Democratic views on the immigration issue are just one facet of what I see as an overall mindset of " no restrictions, no punishment, "It's not my fault", give, give, give!"
The concept of "personal responsibility" seems totally foreign to them.

Tell me which party the following people would MOST LIKELY belong to:
(Reps and Dems only)
Be honest now, and give the first choice that enters your head.
Ready,,,,,,GO!

1) The career criminal who has no intentions of making an honest living.
2) The person who wants to see all guns removed from private ownership.
3) The person who wants to allow your daughter to undergo surgery(an abortion) without your knowledge.
4) The green haired kid w/nose ring, still living at home, with no real life experience.
5) The person whothinks we should just pull out of Iraq.....NOW.
6) The person who thinks we have done NOTHING good in Iraq.
7) The person who thinks it's OK for a congresswoman to hit a poice officer without any repercussions.
8) The person who thinks its OK to go into a church, during a service, and throw condems all over to highlight the AIDS problem.
9) The person who thinks no child should be kicked out of a classroom, regardless of how disruptive he/she is.
10) The person who believes that regardless of what a person does in their private life, it has absolutely no bearing on their professional behaviour or ethics.

Now don't get me wrong.
There's PLENTY of garbage in the Republican party also!
But of the 2, I see the dems as the more cancerous.

That's enough for now!

 

[GoSlash27]

Cowman,
Well said

 

[GoSlash27]

DasBoot,
Have you visited the kossacks yet?