maestro pistolero
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IF there is to be an AWB, and I don't believe there will be, let it be a complete and sweeping ban to make the work of the court simpler.
Sen. Feinstien (Calif) to intro gun control bill
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Question:
Does anyone know if the shooters in the other tragic incidents were the actual legal owner of the firearm used? Because I don't believe the 20 year old shooter in the CN school was the gun owner. Maybe the issue is more of a control the people, rather than control the gun.
Does anyone know if the shooters in the other tragic incidents were the actual legal owner of the firearm used? Because I don't believe the 20 year old shooter in the CN school was the gun owner. Maybe the issue is more of a control the people, rather than control the gun.
@9mm1033
Adam Lanza did not legally purchase the firearms, he murdered his mother in her sleep and then stole her legally purchased firearms to carry out his heinous crime. In this case, he did attempt to purchase a firearm, but was denied, so the regulations already in place prevented him from LEGALLY obtaining a firearm, it did not however keep him from finding other means to obtain said firearms utilized in the Sandy Hook Elementry shooting.
In the case of the Tuscon shooting, Gabrielle Giffords was the victim of a deranged criminal who had no prior criminal record, but due to the lack of medical files verifying that he was indeed mentally unstable (If I recall correctly, he was diagnosed and being mentally ill, but it never made it outside of his clinical files, though I could be wrong). He legally purchased his firearms and later carried out his attack on Congresswoman Giffords.
The Colorado Shooting, James Holmes legally purchased his firearms, he had no prior record with local law enforcement agencies nor any record of being mentally unstable if I'm correct.
I'm pulling this from memory, so if I'm wrong on any of this, please, someone correct me.
Adam Lanza did not legally purchase the firearms, he murdered his mother in her sleep and then stole her legally purchased firearms to carry out his heinous crime. In this case, he did attempt to purchase a firearm, but was denied, so the regulations already in place prevented him from LEGALLY obtaining a firearm, it did not however keep him from finding other means to obtain said firearms utilized in the Sandy Hook Elementry shooting.
In the case of the Tuscon shooting, Gabrielle Giffords was the victim of a deranged criminal who had no prior criminal record, but due to the lack of medical files verifying that he was indeed mentally unstable (If I recall correctly, he was diagnosed and being mentally ill, but it never made it outside of his clinical files, though I could be wrong). He legally purchased his firearms and later carried out his attack on Congresswoman Giffords.
The Colorado Shooting, James Holmes legally purchased his firearms, he had no prior record with local law enforcement agencies nor any record of being mentally unstable if I'm correct.
I'm pulling this from memory, so if I'm wrong on any of this, please, someone correct me.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Without going through them all - it's mixed. The ones below legal age obviously are breaking the law.
The adults usually are legal purchases.
In some like Kip Kingle - the parents bought him the Glock but technically they owned it.
BTW - here's another pro-gun Senator:
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/scott-brown-backs-assault-gun-ban-85348.html?hp=r2
Scott Brown - probably wants to replace Kerry, so setting himself up on the high moral ground.
The adults usually are legal purchases.
In some like Kip Kingle - the parents bought him the Glock but technically they owned it.
BTW - here's another pro-gun Senator:
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/scott-brown-backs-assault-gun-ban-85348.html?hp=r2
Scott Brown - probably wants to replace Kerry, so setting himself up on the high moral ground.
It is hard for any rational person to look at the numbers on gun violence compared to other types of losses of life and say we need more gun control... The antis always come from an emotional appeal because they cannot win in a fight of logic.
Honestly other than better mental health care I do not see any significant change that can be made that would in anyway increase safety other than more legal carriers and less restrictions on where you can carry..
Honestly other than better mental health care I do not see any significant change that can be made that would in anyway increase safety other than more legal carriers and less restrictions on where you can carry..
BGutzman said:
And because that appeal is currently so powerful, even though the appeal is cynical and manipulative. It is a legitimate response to such an event to feel that it is horrible and sad.
BGutzman said:
Those are aren't small steps, and I believe it is worth setting them forth publicly. It is hard to beat something with nothing.
bfskinnerpunk
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"better mental health care"
Unfortunately, the science for reliable mental health care doesn't exist. We're not even close.
Therefore, habitually violent and threatening people.... be they thugs, bullies, autistic kids, or the mentally ill.... need to be identified and "marked" such that they may not access firearms or other weapons.
Most schools are well aware of their "bad boys", but the fact that they have Special Education labels makes their violence private..... and so we routinely release them on society.
The numbers of the thug-diva-mentally ill types is growing. Parents are failing to parent, and kids that would normally just be a bit flakey are turned into monsters.
This, in my opinion, is a new phenomenon and this first generations of these tempermental kids are just being released within the past 10 years.
Unfortunately, the science for reliable mental health care doesn't exist. We're not even close.
Therefore, habitually violent and threatening people.... be they thugs, bullies, autistic kids, or the mentally ill.... need to be identified and "marked" such that they may not access firearms or other weapons.
Most schools are well aware of their "bad boys", but the fact that they have Special Education labels makes their violence private..... and so we routinely release them on society.
The numbers of the thug-diva-mentally ill types is growing. Parents are failing to parent, and kids that would normally just be a bit flakey are turned into monsters.
This, in my opinion, is a new phenomenon and this first generations of these tempermental kids are just being released within the past 10 years.
Glenn E. Meyer
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An interesting perspective is that all the support and special circumstances allow more affluent kids (middle class and up) to make it through high school.
That level of support is not available in college or the job world and they crash.
The psychologist noted that poor kids with similar problem are burned out, hit the criminal justice system early on, etc. They don't go to the college or work environment where they fail dramatically and some become monsters.
That level of support is not available in college or the job world and they crash.
The psychologist noted that poor kids with similar problem are burned out, hit the criminal justice system early on, etc. They don't go to the college or work environment where they fail dramatically and some become monsters.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Another progun Senator sees the truth 
:
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/pro-gun-bob-casey-backs-gun-restrictions-85345.html?hp=r15
Bob Casey in PA.
:http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/pro-gun-bob-casey-backs-gun-restrictions-85345.html?hp=r15
Bob Casey in PA.
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I do not ordinarily write letters for my own causes and the other than my ordinary NRA dues I do not contribute money to political causes. For this issue, I will depart from my pattern and work for the defeat of people who held their fingers to the wind to inform their change of heart.
I can understand not making a specific civil rights argument at an inopportune moment for the purpose of preserving one's career. However, there is a material difference between staying silent when words will not suffice and affirmatively saying the wrong thing.
I can understand not making a specific civil rights argument at an inopportune moment for the purpose of preserving one's career. However, there is a material difference between staying silent when words will not suffice and affirmatively saying the wrong thing.
Glenn E. Meyer said:
The perspective you present is very interesting and tends to mirror the explanation given in a suicide note by the young man who killed his teacher-father with a bow and arrow on November 30th in a Wyoming college classroom.
From the Daily Mail (UK), 12/19/2012:
Interestingly, the young man attributed his problems to Asperger’s syndrome.
bfskinnerpunk
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Young inner city "thugs" get the easy, accomodating treatment, too.
Everyone works hard to avoid upsetting the little Snoop Dog. This kid doesn't take "no" for an answer, and the staff make darn sure to avoid that word!
Then, the kid ages out of school..... and all bets are off. Watch your back.
Everyone works hard to avoid upsetting the little Snoop Dog. This kid doesn't take "no" for an answer, and the staff make darn sure to avoid that word!
Then, the kid ages out of school..... and all bets are off. Watch your back.
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My NRA membership had lapsed last month... been planning to renew, just been procrastinating....
The day of this horrible tragedy, I went online and paid the $35...
The NRA is going to need our continued help and support more than ever, NOW.
Regardless of what you may think of some of the politics within the organization, we need them- so JOIN NOW, if you are not a member...and if you're like me and have let it lapse, RENEW...
Our voices MUST be heard over the minority, but very vocal, opponents to our Second Amendment rights.
Glenn E. Meyer
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http://www.guns.com/2012/12/20/brownells-sells-3-5-years-worth-of-magazines-in-36-hours/
Around here, the big box sporting good stores have been sweep clean of EBRs. Academy usually has about 25 on the shelves. All gone - and they have quite a few stores. Another local outfit sold 37 of them.
Ammo is scarce - 9, 45 and 223 - gone. But there was alot of 40 SW - go figure.
Around here, the big box sporting good stores have been sweep clean of EBRs. Academy usually has about 25 on the shelves. All gone - and they have quite a few stores. Another local outfit sold 37 of them.
Ammo is scarce - 9, 45 and 223 - gone. But there was alot of 40 SW - go figure.
Mayor Bloomberg is now on record saying he is a strong supporter of the second amendment.
“I don’t think there’s anybody that’s defended the Second Amendment as much as I have, Ray,” Mr. Bloomberg said to a caller who asked him why he was “so against” the constitutional passage . “I think you have a perfect right to buy weapons and keep them for protection or for sport. We have tried to make sure that you have it.
Bloomberg: No One Has ‘Defended the Second Amendment as Much as I Have’
Forgive me for doubting the Honorable Mayor Bloomberg's record on advocating for the RKBA. This was the first I ever heard of that notion. At least we now have Bloomberg, Obama and McCarthy, on record, acknowledging that the right to own firearms for self defense exists.
“I don’t think there’s anybody that’s defended the Second Amendment as much as I have, Ray,” Mr. Bloomberg said to a caller who asked him why he was “so against” the constitutional passage . “I think you have a perfect right to buy weapons and keep them for protection or for sport. We have tried to make sure that you have it.
Bloomberg: No One Has ‘Defended the Second Amendment as Much as I Have’
Forgive me for doubting the Honorable Mayor Bloomberg's record on advocating for the RKBA. This was the first I ever heard of that notion. At least we now have Bloomberg, Obama and McCarthy, on record, acknowledging that the right to own firearms for self defense exists.
Glenn E. Meyer
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So when will Bloomberg argue for easing the gun laws for NYC for home protection. Right now, it is almost impossible to get a gun for home protection in the city.
But that's an interesting change that can be played. Let Mike say that he has no problem with folks having the myriad of less than 10 round handguns at home in NYC.
Lots of folks would be happy with 1911s or the current compact 9 mm guns.
But that's an interesting change that can be played. Let Mike say that he has no problem with folks having the myriad of less than 10 round handguns at home in NYC.
Lots of folks would be happy with 1911s or the current compact 9 mm guns.
Idaho Spud
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Mayor Bloomberg doesn't understand or acknowledge the intent of 2A: taking up arms against an oppressive government. Back in the day, home protection was taken for granted, logically assumed.