Sen. Feinstien (Calif) to intro gun control bill
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so far the ar-15's have been the object of the anti-gun's symbol of hate due to the Aurora and CT shootings. Even folks that i come in contact with that are in favor on concealed carry are asking why do we need these type of non-sporting long guns with huge magazine capacity. My answer is what will happen when the next whackjob uses a hunting rifle to off a group of people.
m&p45acp10+1
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Diane Fientstine (Sp?) has had a gun control bill drafted for every time the senate meets. They change the bill number, and a couple of words, or sentence structure. Her bill has been nit picked by an army of liberal lawyers for a few years. The thing is it most times fails to get enough votes to go to the floor.
To the best of my knowledge, it's never gotten to the floor.
The difference this time is that it's been given grim impetus by the Sandy Hook shooting.
That's true, but we were still stuck with the ban for another 10 years. All the so-called reformers didn't do much to repeal it, either.
Joe Manchin: ‘I’m so proud of the NRA’
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/joe-manchin-im-so-proud-of-the-nra-85311.html#ixzz2FYXW4rG9
Did you call him up yesterday Doctor? He sure changed his tune today.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/joe-manchin-im-so-proud-of-the-nra-85311.html#ixzz2FYXW4rG9
Did you call him up yesterday Doctor? He sure changed his tune today.
For ONE, I wish they'd stop describing the AR-15 and an ASSAULT RIFLE, which it is NOT.
These bozo, anti-gun politicians, most of which don't have an iota of firearms knowledge like Ms Feinstein, do not realize that an ASSAULT WEAPON is a SELECT-FIRE, MILITARY WEAPON? The AR-15 is nothing but a look-alike clone, semi-automatic rifle. It is NOT an assault weapon. Yet, every day the media refuses to call them out on this misinformation.
So why not ban all semi-automatic rifles?
The Second Amendment was written (and recently upheld by SCOTUS) that we are empowered to bear arms in potential defense to a tyrannical government.
And the AR-15 would be one of the weapons of choice for that job.
Need 30 rounds to hunt with/ Nope....
But if the goverment shows up at my door to confiscate my property by decree, there's gonna be a lot of bloodhshed. Hopefully, not mine.
These bozo, anti-gun politicians, most of which don't have an iota of firearms knowledge like Ms Feinstein, do not realize that an ASSAULT WEAPON is a SELECT-FIRE, MILITARY WEAPON? The AR-15 is nothing but a look-alike clone, semi-automatic rifle. It is NOT an assault weapon. Yet, every day the media refuses to call them out on this misinformation.
So why not ban all semi-automatic rifles?
The Second Amendment was written (and recently upheld by SCOTUS) that we are empowered to bear arms in potential defense to a tyrannical government.
And the AR-15 would be one of the weapons of choice for that job.
Need 30 rounds to hunt with/ Nope....
But if the goverment shows up at my door to confiscate my property by decree, there's gonna be a lot of bloodhshed. Hopefully, not mine.
They are doing wrong and thats all there is to it.
Right here on this forum, there are the people who do and have populated the military, police forces, fire departments, hospitals, on and on. There are lawyers, professors, engineers, students, Democrats, Republicans and every other political stripe that write on this board. We are responsible, law abiding and have helped people, paid our taxes and served the country all our lives.
For persons like Sen. Feinstein, (who wouldn't even be around if it wasn't for people like those listed above) to insult us, by trying to disarm us, here in the land of our forefathers, the land they shed their blood for and the land they wrote and bestowed to their progeny our constitution and bill of rights, is beyond the pale.
"...but...but nate, you are getting too serious, we are just trying to pass sensible legislation to save the children."
No, you are trying to disarm the warrior class and its not being well received Sen. Feinstein.
Right here on this forum, there are the people who do and have populated the military, police forces, fire departments, hospitals, on and on. There are lawyers, professors, engineers, students, Democrats, Republicans and every other political stripe that write on this board. We are responsible, law abiding and have helped people, paid our taxes and served the country all our lives.
For persons like Sen. Feinstein, (who wouldn't even be around if it wasn't for people like those listed above) to insult us, by trying to disarm us, here in the land of our forefathers, the land they shed their blood for and the land they wrote and bestowed to their progeny our constitution and bill of rights, is beyond the pale.
"...but...but nate, you are getting too serious, we are just trying to pass sensible legislation to save the children."
No, you are trying to disarm the warrior class and its not being well received Sen. Feinstein.
carguychris
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I wish people would stop calling Camaros and Mustangs sports cars. Ain't happening either.
The more rants I've read on FB during recent days, the more I'm convinced that the Assault Rifle terminology ship has sailed.
You're better off explaining the difference between full-auto and semi-auto, the fact that none of the recent mass shootings have involved full-auto weapons, the fact that plenty of law-abiding citizens own semi-autos- remarkably without anyone around them dying- and most importantly, that gun rights are a CIVIL RIGHTS issue and that the SCOTUS has shut the door on an outright ban on guns in common use, most likely INCLUDING semi-autos.
They can call it an assault rifle. They can call it a modern sporting rifle. They can call it Bob*, or a pink elephant. OK, real pink elephants might object when they learn that an FFL transfer is necessary to sell them to a nicer circus that's out of state, so I take that part back.
Tell them that the shooting really shocks you and your heart goes out to the families. You wish you could prevent things like that from happening. You wish the mass shootings would stop. However, banning assault rifles / modern sporting rifles / Bob* is not feasible, not effective, and lastly, not legally likely to stick.
*BobKSa, we like you. This is not about you. We realize you're not a gun. No hard feelings, kay?
Sounds like backpedaling to me. I suspect that Manchin may have been testing the waters with his previous comments and that the water, being his constituents response, was a bit hotter than he liked. This is somewhat encouraging because if there's a public backlash against new gun control, I doubt that Feinstein (or anyone else for that matter) will manage to get a new AWB out of committee.
bfskinnerpunk
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I'm in the mental health business.
Their are a growing number of violent/threatening "ill" young people.
Because these kids enjoy special privacy protections, the rest of us remain largely unaware of their "special needs" issues.
Schools bumble along with these kids until they graduate them and unleash them on the rest of us..... with no warnings or preparations.
The schools and parents mostly rationalize and make excuses for the violent behavior all along the way... just like the abused spouse who makes excuses for her abusing husband (often blaming herself).
We need to have the ability to identify these violent tendencies openly and early.
I don't care if you have a disease (that's private), or some special "label" for your mind and behavior...... go ahead and keep that private..... but if you have a history of behaving violently in spite of efforts to stop it, you need to be well known and heavily restricted.
With violence, we should not worry about whether it is a part of your "special syndrome" or illness. That should be public informatoin.
Their are a growing number of violent/threatening "ill" young people.
Because these kids enjoy special privacy protections, the rest of us remain largely unaware of their "special needs" issues.
Schools bumble along with these kids until they graduate them and unleash them on the rest of us..... with no warnings or preparations.
The schools and parents mostly rationalize and make excuses for the violent behavior all along the way... just like the abused spouse who makes excuses for her abusing husband (often blaming herself).
We need to have the ability to identify these violent tendencies openly and early.
I don't care if you have a disease (that's private), or some special "label" for your mind and behavior...... go ahead and keep that private..... but if you have a history of behaving violently in spite of efforts to stop it, you need to be well known and heavily restricted.
With violence, we should not worry about whether it is a part of your "special syndrome" or illness. That should be public informatoin.
New gun control may not be as easy as the media would have us believe. According to Fox News, the NRA is having record new membership registration.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/19/nra-sees-surge-in-membership-after-connecticut-school-shooting/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/19/nra-sees-surge-in-membership-after-connecticut-school-shooting/
Sparks1957
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I truly believe this too. We just have to hang in, continue to apply pressure to our elected officials, and wait until some of the highly emotional responses get tired.
That doesn't mean I'm not worried, but I have faith that cooler heads will prevail eventually.
When Joe Biden and Harry Reid get done reviewing the options. It will most likely quietly go away. Or some sort of mechanism for trying to better screen the mentally ill will be enacted. We should keep a close watch on that too, many anti-gunners think that anyone who possesses a firearm is mentally ill.
Glenn E. Meyer
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If I were to bet - I would think what will occur is:
1. Better funding and implementation of mental health records for NICS. Cho would have been caught if Virginia courts and the state were on their game.
2. Mandatory NICS for private sales at shows. That will move private sales away from these commercial venues.
Could be wrong - but bans of assault weapons (the name fight has been lost) and mag capacity bans will be fought off.
One interesting thing is that some strong antifolks - Obama and McCarthy both said that having guns to protect the home is legit. This is not the position of Biden, Schumer, Bloomers, Feinstein, etc.
Every progun statement should start by thanking those two for acknowledging the legitimacy of the SD argument from Heller and McDonald and now Posner's statements.
That might split the antis a bit on the solidarity of their position and take total bans off the table. It would start with some guns being legit.
However, I hope the NRA is smart enough to do more than rant.
1. Better funding and implementation of mental health records for NICS. Cho would have been caught if Virginia courts and the state were on their game.
2. Mandatory NICS for private sales at shows. That will move private sales away from these commercial venues.
Could be wrong - but bans of assault weapons (the name fight has been lost) and mag capacity bans will be fought off.
One interesting thing is that some strong antifolks - Obama and McCarthy both said that having guns to protect the home is legit. This is not the position of Biden, Schumer, Bloomers, Feinstein, etc.
Every progun statement should start by thanking those two for acknowledging the legitimacy of the SD argument from Heller and McDonald and now Posner's statements.
That might split the antis a bit on the solidarity of their position and take total bans off the table. It would start with some guns being legit.
However, I hope the NRA is smart enough to do more than rant.
The mental illness issue has gone way overboard in the wrong direction, and I will give a glaring example.
I am a sub teacher. Why working at a middle school I had a student with mental problems hold a scissors to the throat of an other student. This pair of scissors was not the child safe variety, it was the sharp two knives riveted together kind. I managed to quell the situation, and the student let go of the scissors. Well, he was back to school in three weeks. Come to find out if this was a regular non special ed student he would have been expelled, but different standards applied to this student since he was special ed. He was considered "at risk". I asked; what about the students around him, aren't they the ones at risk? This should have been aggravated assault with intent to commit great bodily harm at minimum, but there was no police report made, no nothing. This is the kind of mentally ill minor that is "at risk" of committing a mass shooting, and this is how it was handled.
I am a sub teacher. Why working at a middle school I had a student with mental problems hold a scissors to the throat of an other student. This pair of scissors was not the child safe variety, it was the sharp two knives riveted together kind. I managed to quell the situation, and the student let go of the scissors. Well, he was back to school in three weeks. Come to find out if this was a regular non special ed student he would have been expelled, but different standards applied to this student since he was special ed. He was considered "at risk". I asked; what about the students around him, aren't they the ones at risk? This should have been aggravated assault with intent to commit great bodily harm at minimum, but there was no police report made, no nothing. This is the kind of mentally ill minor that is "at risk" of committing a mass shooting, and this is how it was handled.
GEM said:
I'm as pro-RKBA as one can get and I would gladly support the above suggestions. The gun shows are filled with FFL's who can run an NICS check.
I know, I know, it costs more, its inconvenient. I know, I know we're contentious about who we sell to, we want to be free, etc. Well, I'd rather pay a little more, than see a firearm easily get in the hands of a felon, or someone who has been adjudicated mentally ill. Can they still steal, or buy one? Yes, but the harder it is the better.
The NRA, the GOA, the JPFO and all the rest, can make the case for assault rifles and high cap magazines, but they can't make the case for not making it harder for felons and the mentally ill to acquire them.