Sen. Feinstien (Calif) to intro gun control bill

I fear that, with emotions running as high as they are, this will be another "we have to pass the bill so that we can find out what's in it" situations.
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Since you brought up the Pelosi quote regarding the AFA, it bears mentioning that the political climate is different now than it was then. In 2009 and 2010, both houses of Congress were controlled by the Democrat party and even so, the Senate had to resort to budget reconciliation in order to prevent a filibuster. It is doubtful that Feinstein can even count on enough Democrat votes to support this to pass it, much less enough Republican votes to prevent a filibuster. Even if she is able to get it through the Senate, it then must go through the House where its chances of passage are even less.
 
Well January is right around the corner, we'll have to wait and see what Obama, Biden and the rest of the hyena's come up with as a "solution" to all these tragedies.

I just hope we're all right about anything that is attempted to be passed being blocked by the house. We are treading in shark infested waters right now or so it seems.
 
I did just recently read an article (not sure where, I think NY Times) that was speaking of obstacles to gun control. They stated (Wish I could quote it, can't find it anymore) that there is specific legislation put in place to bar the ATF from developing a firearms registry of who owns a firearm. I think the only leverage it has over people is in NFA land, but this would essentially develop the registry that isn't allowed since it would be so widespread... If someone knows which article I'm talking about, please post it :).
 
The NFA has specific writings to ensure that nearly all weapons fall into specific categories. The whole act would have to be rewritten to change it.
 
I have the ABC News app on my iPhone. A day or two ago there was a piece entitled, "The One Man Who Might Stop Gun Control in the Senate." I clicked on it and was delighted to see they were talking about my favorite Senator... Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn. They listed out various things he has stopped in the past and speculated that he would be willing to do it again.

I've been wishing for years now that we had more Senators that were as fiscally conservative as Senator Coburn. He is that very rare politician who votes to reduce programs and spending EVEN WHEN passing the bill would put money into his district or state. He has taken a lot of flak for it in OK when he voted against bills that would have funded some OK project. But he is consistent, we must explain how we will pay for it first.

Hopefully he will be able to link up with some other like-thinking Senators and filibuster anything that is introduced.

The sad thing is that he has already announced this is his final term. He won't be running for reelection. He is going to go back and resume his medical practice. We will DEEPLY miss him when he is gone. And I mean all of us, not just people in OK.

Gregg
 
Refresh my constitutional scholarship, but don't all new tax bills need to originate in the House of Representatives? See Article I Section 7:

"Section. 7.

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives."

Of course these socialists care as much about Article I Section 7 as they do Amendment 2.

A new tax on millions of existing firearms would be a revenue bill, no?
 
With the supreme court calling the costs of the health care thing a tax that whole thing about where a bill originates is never going to make mean much I am afraid
 
Tax bills have to start in the House, but the house has passed and sent to the Senate many bills that never go anywhere. All the Senate nees to do is take one, amend it to remove all the house language and add in the Senate language. This bill does have to be then passed by the house as the language has been changed.
 
Wait so the Senate can arbitrarily change the language of a house bill and pass it as a house bill?

Am I missing something because I'm starting to feel like the crazy person in the room again
 
Wait so the Senate can arbitrarily change the language of a house bill and pass it as a house bill?
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Yes, they can but it then has to go back to the House because of the changes. A bill cannot go to the President until the House and Senate have both passed the same bill.
 
What bothers me about this whole process is our governments lack of understanding about this whole issue. That AR-15 didn't kill anyone. A man who should have never had access to any firearm and was denied while attempting to purchase one did.

For example, if he had made a fertilizer bomb like Timothy McVeigh did; would we outlaw fertilizer?

If he set fire to the school using Gasoline and Matches; would we outlaw those?

To quote the late Jeff Cooper “The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”
 
Again, it is not about solving the problem of violent, mass murder. It is about using a crisis to enact a change long wanted by the left. Disarmament of the law abiding populace to avoid resistance to widespread change in society, and loss of rights, and freedoms. It is about control.
 
Refledting back on some prior psots, part of the bill is a tax on existing weapons, obviously intended as a confiscatory measure. But what about the total future bans? Don't they, not being tax billsm run afoul of the second amendment, as suggested by the AG in the hearings on the NFA?
 
Feinstein Says Bushmaster can use Slide thing to make it full auto.

I watched Sen. Feinstein on Chris Wallace's show yesterday where she appeared alongside Sen. Lindsey Graham. She made a remark which I hadn't heard her make before and I wondered what she was referring to. She said that he Bushmaster .223 could use a slide thing to make it fully automatic. I believe that any semi auto gun which can be "easily" modified to become full auto is already covered and regulated by federal law, as well as some state laws.

Did anyone else hear her say that? If so, do you know what she was referring to? If she's correct and was not just tossing out misleading info, wouldn't any AR15 style rifle be able to implement the same sort of device and render them ALL as subject to regulation under already existing federal laws? I'm looking for some insight from some of the people who are more "in the know" than I happen to be.

Lindsey Graham said nothing about it. No questions, no rebuttal, nothing. He let it stand "as was said". I'm not a big fan of his, but he did at least have the guts to admit that he owns and AR-15.
 
I didn't see the show, but I suspect that she was referring to something like the SlideFire stock. Here's the AR version: http://www.slidefire.com/products/ar-15

I haven't investigated this closely, but my understanding is that, once installed, it slides back and forth, allowing for very rapid, although ultimately still semiautomatic, fire.
 
Here is the Feinstein statement taken directly from the transcript from Chris Wallace's show on Sunday.

But I think having a system where these very powerful weapons -- as a matter of fact, the Bushmaster has a legal slide you can put on it to make it fully automatic. And just pump out slews of bullets and it gives --
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So what is this "legal slide" she's talking about? Is she off her rocker? Is she using misinformation for low information voters to fool them? I've never heard of such a "legal slide". What do other folks think about this?

Mods, should we start a new thread? This could get lost in the minutiae of the fact the statement came from Senator Feinstein. I'm looking for specific information about what she is referring to and why she'd bring something like this up if it was totally off base.
 
She doesn't know techy stuff and is probably told you can get a full auto upper at Home Depot.

Anyway - we don't want a multitude of threads.

Here's an interesting take:

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/2013-resolutions-in-politics-85592_Page3.html

It's New Year's resolutions on how each party can get it's act together. I don't care about the other suggestions but one is for the Democrats NOT to offend gun owners as after the uproar dies down, gun rights are still supported in this country by quite a few.

It falls in line with the predictions that clever pols won't commit political suicide by going for a Full Monty Feinstein. We will see.

I know this is just a touch political but I offer it informationally.
 
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