Self defense...how do you load your magazine?
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Like someone mentioned above...staggering rounds is ridiculous.
My thought when I did it was, maybe the Hydra Shock will finish what the Talon started. When I really considered that, I realized my perceived desire to kill any attacker at all costs wouldn't make me look to good in court in the event I ever actually had to shoot someone.
I have no concerns whatsoever about my skill...I shoot about 5-600 rounds a month out of my carry weapon. My thinking was, kill the SOB and make sure you have the equipment to do it.
Since I have pretty much perfected the mozambique...I realize staggering my rounds is just setting myself up for potential legal hassle later. Now, as my perspective has gotten more realistic, my goal is simply to carry an effective round while concentrating on my ability to deploy it.
If I have different rounds in the tube, the changing recoil and blast may confuse me when I can't afford to be confused. For those of you that have shot 147gr 9mm Talons, and the 135gr 9mm Personal Defense Hydra Shocks, you know there is a major difference in the way the rounds fire.
Thats something I don't need to deal with in a self-defense scenario, and definitely something I don't want to have to explain to a prosecutor at a later date.
-SS
My thought when I did it was, maybe the Hydra Shock will finish what the Talon started. When I really considered that, I realized my perceived desire to kill any attacker at all costs wouldn't make me look to good in court in the event I ever actually had to shoot someone.
I have no concerns whatsoever about my skill...I shoot about 5-600 rounds a month out of my carry weapon. My thinking was, kill the SOB and make sure you have the equipment to do it.
Since I have pretty much perfected the mozambique...I realize staggering my rounds is just setting myself up for potential legal hassle later. Now, as my perspective has gotten more realistic, my goal is simply to carry an effective round while concentrating on my ability to deploy it.
If I have different rounds in the tube, the changing recoil and blast may confuse me when I can't afford to be confused. For those of you that have shot 147gr 9mm Talons, and the 135gr 9mm Personal Defense Hydra Shocks, you know there is a major difference in the way the rounds fire.
Thats something I don't need to deal with in a self-defense scenario, and definitely something I don't want to have to explain to a prosecutor at a later date.
-SS
Stick with which ever premium brand of JHP functions the best and is the most accurate out of the given gun. If all things are equal functioning and accuracy wise, make a choice based on one of the following.
In no particular order:
Marketing hype
Price point
Color of the box
Favorite federal agency which uses them
"Knowledge" that one performs better because M/S says so
The "look" of the cartridge
In no particular order:
Marketing hype
Price point
Color of the box
Favorite federal agency which uses them
"Knowledge" that one performs better because M/S says so
The "look" of the cartridge
Dave T. wrote:
>>> WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME!
Since you are from Mass. and don't understand the concept of "freedom" (historically you did but have obviously forgotten those early lessons) you opinion on this subject doesn't carry much water.
Please refrain from you continued anti self-defense position. There are thousands of people every year in this country who would strongly disagree with you.<<<
No doubt someone in your business would disagree. It would not be good marketing to have prospective customers know they are 10,000 times more likely to die of heart disease than a gunshot, and if shot, more than 50% likely to die from a gunshot that is self-inflicted. Even though true.
It would be OK with me to say this is a fun hobby that might prove useful, in the same way that learning CPR does. I'd also buy teaching youngsters about firearms to help their future military marksmanship or any of the other benefits of responsible firearm ownership and training. I'm not anti-self defense - I'm anti Sidewalk Commando advice that is going to get someone shot, sued, or both. Stay alert and aware. Know the situation you are in. Be able to deliver a range of responses to any threat. That's my advice.
I don't want to go into your comment about living in MA and understanding freedom too much as it is off topic - be happy to discuss it on a general forum. But please consider this. I could move a few miles to New Hampshire - I already have an office there. Or, I could stay here in MA, (Boston, specifically) donate time and money to causes, write letters to representatives and publications, seek interviews with candidates to explain my views on private ownership of firearms, and teach firearms use and marksmanship to friends and their kids.
To leave for a more friendly state would be cowardly. To stay here and fight for those principles, even when badly outnumbered and the tide against us, better honors the memory of the men who said, "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." And that's why I've stayed.
However, it is 35 degrees, windy, and raining so moving to Arizona sounds pretty good right about now!
>>> WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME!
Since you are from Mass. and don't understand the concept of "freedom" (historically you did but have obviously forgotten those early lessons) you opinion on this subject doesn't carry much water.
Please refrain from you continued anti self-defense position. There are thousands of people every year in this country who would strongly disagree with you.<<<
No doubt someone in your business would disagree. It would not be good marketing to have prospective customers know they are 10,000 times more likely to die of heart disease than a gunshot, and if shot, more than 50% likely to die from a gunshot that is self-inflicted. Even though true.
It would be OK with me to say this is a fun hobby that might prove useful, in the same way that learning CPR does. I'd also buy teaching youngsters about firearms to help their future military marksmanship or any of the other benefits of responsible firearm ownership and training. I'm not anti-self defense - I'm anti Sidewalk Commando advice that is going to get someone shot, sued, or both. Stay alert and aware. Know the situation you are in. Be able to deliver a range of responses to any threat. That's my advice.
I don't want to go into your comment about living in MA and understanding freedom too much as it is off topic - be happy to discuss it on a general forum. But please consider this. I could move a few miles to New Hampshire - I already have an office there. Or, I could stay here in MA, (Boston, specifically) donate time and money to causes, write letters to representatives and publications, seek interviews with candidates to explain my views on private ownership of firearms, and teach firearms use and marksmanship to friends and their kids.
To leave for a more friendly state would be cowardly. To stay here and fight for those principles, even when badly outnumbered and the tide against us, better honors the memory of the men who said, "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." And that's why I've stayed.
However, it is 35 degrees, windy, and raining so moving to Arizona sounds pretty good right about now!
I load my Glock with 9mm Cor-Bon 115gr. +P JHP rounds. At 1350 fps, they're the fastest 115 gr. round I've ever seen, beating out even +P+ rounds. This gives them the greatest kinetic energy of any 9mm round. I also load my magazines to one less than the maximum capacity, to preserve the spring. I'd rather have 14 reliable shots than 15 rounds in the magazine and a failure to feed malfunction in a firefight.
But more than that, I practice - dry-firing when I have nothing else to do, and shooting at the range - mostly FMJ plinker rounds, but also my Cor-Bons so I'm familiar with them and sure they won't malfunction in my gun.
But more than that, I practice - dry-firing when I have nothing else to do, and shooting at the range - mostly FMJ plinker rounds, but also my Cor-Bons so I'm familiar with them and sure they won't malfunction in my gun.
VVG,
How's this?
We're not Sidewalk Commandos, but we do believe in being ready, when and if the time comes for self defense. It's fortunate that you never need to wear a seat belt and disable you air bags in your car....because the chances are small that you'll have a wreck. While you're at it, get rid of all those annoying circuit interrupter power plugs in your bathroom and kitchen, cause you'll never need it. And, hey, who needs 911. Have them disable that service.
You've obviously never been accosted or a known any victims.
Hopefully, we'll never need to shoot a person, but, I'd much rather be ready if the time comes rather than sitting around saying "But VVG on the forum said this wasn't likely to happen.....sorry dead and wounded and raped family members, I decided not to carry a weapon"
duh
How's this?
We're not Sidewalk Commandos, but we do believe in being ready, when and if the time comes for self defense. It's fortunate that you never need to wear a seat belt and disable you air bags in your car....because the chances are small that you'll have a wreck. While you're at it, get rid of all those annoying circuit interrupter power plugs in your bathroom and kitchen, cause you'll never need it. And, hey, who needs 911. Have them disable that service.
You've obviously never been accosted or a known any victims.
Hopefully, we'll never need to shoot a person, but, I'd much rather be ready if the time comes rather than sitting around saying "But VVG on the forum said this wasn't likely to happen.....sorry dead and wounded and raped family members, I decided not to carry a weapon"
duh
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>> You've obviously never been accosted or a known any victims. Hopefully, we'll never need to shoot a person, but, I'd much rather be ready if the time comes rather than sitting around saying...
That's EXACTLY my point! Let me clarify. I think anyone who carries a gun but doesn't carry incapacitating spray, as well as knowing some "hand-to-gland" isn't especially well prepared to prevent becoming a victim. All those things are more important than the type of rounds loaded in your CCW. I have always carried .45 FMJ
That's EXACTLY my point! Let me clarify. I think anyone who carries a gun but doesn't carry incapacitating spray, as well as knowing some "hand-to-gland" isn't especially well prepared to prevent becoming a victim. All those things are more important than the type of rounds loaded in your CCW. I have always carried .45 FMJ
I DO mix my ammo. I start with a HP and mix every other round with a FMJ. Makarov 9x18mm is not really known as a "stopper" caliber.
I do not trust the HP to expand properly, although http://www.goldenloki.com has info that indicates it will go 7" in geletin with proper expansion. I question if the FMJ will go through a perpetrator with a minimal wound channel. Goldenloki's data indicates FMJ may go as deep as 21" in ballistic gelatin.
I practice at a public shooting range. I live in the city. Experimentation on the range is not an option at this time (There is a large volume of shooters- no time to play with the few "cease fires"). I practice by firing two round bursts. That's what the crook will get.
I do not trust the HP to expand properly, although http://www.goldenloki.com has info that indicates it will go 7" in geletin with proper expansion. I question if the FMJ will go through a perpetrator with a minimal wound channel. Goldenloki's data indicates FMJ may go as deep as 21" in ballistic gelatin.
I practice at a public shooting range. I live in the city. Experimentation on the range is not an option at this time (There is a large volume of shooters- no time to play with the few "cease fires"). I practice by firing two round bursts. That's what the crook will get.
I think somebody already discussed the basic problems with staggering, but try this:
Go to the range and load your gun with 3 different kinds of ammo. Maybe a couple FMJ's, a couple Black Talons, and Maybe a God Dot or two. Now shoot the target. Better yet, let somebody ELSE load the magazine, because I doubt you're going to remember just what's in what order when you need them most. Take a look at your target...
You will recall that one of the advantages to "match" ammo is that the powder charges and bullet shapes are measured VERY carefully to ensure consistency. How consistent are you with 3 different types of ammo?
Go to the range and load your gun with 3 different kinds of ammo. Maybe a couple FMJ's, a couple Black Talons, and Maybe a God Dot or two. Now shoot the target. Better yet, let somebody ELSE load the magazine, because I doubt you're going to remember just what's in what order when you need them most. Take a look at your target...
You will recall that one of the advantages to "match" ammo is that the powder charges and bullet shapes are measured VERY carefully to ensure consistency. How consistent are you with 3 different types of ammo?
You guys are too funny with all these different ammos in the mags theories and suggestions. I believe in training, training, and training. You can have the best round in there but if you missed...well you guys get my point. On the other hand, if you are well trained in whether it be shooting accuracy, know how, or reaction, etc, you are best off with that. Even a deadly shooter with a bb gun maybe be more deadly than someone carrying a desert eagle .50ae that can't shoot...well, again, you guys get my point. I just think that any good type of ammo will do. Unless it is really for some special hunt or cases, should the different ammos be necessary whether it is hollow point, black talon, etc. The good ol' FMJ will do for me in any real life situations. I don't think anyone on the receiving end of any bullet will care what type it was cause they all hurt, hehe, and if he didn't feel it? Even better! Means he's dead!
BloodyThumb
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230gr Hydra Shocks in the gun, and two mags on my belt, the front mag is HS's again, and the rear magazine is 230gr ball in case I need the penetration.
If the BG is behind cover, and I need the ball, I had best be behind cover as well by that time, and able to change, and the HS's will do nicely till I get there......
If the BG is behind cover, and I need the ball, I had best be behind cover as well by that time, and able to change, and the HS's will do nicely till I get there......
different bulletts for magazines might
be a possible option. Just a twist in convential thinking, Driving in a car is different than sleeping in an apartment, as is walking on the street.
I like having magazines loaded with bullets more suited for your surroundings. Staggering ammo is silly but having a mag with frangible bullets in the apartment is a good idea.
Practise is number one. Maybe I'm different in my old age, and I sold 38 or so of my handguns, kept a few, and bought ammo with the proceeds, practised for sight alignment and trigger squeeze.
I did have to shoot at a pick up truck. I removed the mag with jhp, inserted fmj and stopped the pu. It was shot to pieces! The jhp ammo could'nt do that, and I was glad to have the extra mag with fmj ammo as planned, in the car.
be a possible option. Just a twist in convential thinking, Driving in a car is different than sleeping in an apartment, as is walking on the street.
I like having magazines loaded with bullets more suited for your surroundings. Staggering ammo is silly but having a mag with frangible bullets in the apartment is a good idea.
Practise is number one. Maybe I'm different in my old age, and I sold 38 or so of my handguns, kept a few, and bought ammo with the proceeds, practised for sight alignment and trigger squeeze.
I did have to shoot at a pick up truck. I removed the mag with jhp, inserted fmj and stopped the pu. It was shot to pieces! The jhp ammo could'nt do that, and I was glad to have the extra mag with fmj ammo as planned, in the car.
Mo_Zam_Beek
New member
230 grn +p Corbons
Black Talons - these are the predessor to the current itteration - STX. STX is an improvement (according to the manufacturer).
Black Talons - these are the predessor to the current itteration - STX. STX is an improvement (according to the manufacturer).