Self defense...how do you load your magazine?

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DPSproles

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It might sound like a silly question, but I have heard and read about people loading their CCW pistols with varying loads. IE hollow point/hollow point/FMG/FMG, etc. due to the situations that they will encounter as the confrontation continues.

For instance, (I am speculating here!) someone confronts you, you have an initial "open shot" or two and then they might be nehind a door or other pentrable obstacle, so you would want a different load.

Does anyone do this and/or do you have any thoughts regarding this concept and what are your suggestions? Please advise.

DPS
 
I carry Black Talons currently.

I did have it loaded Black Talon/Hydra Shok in staggered fashion but decided that was pointless and just went back to the Talons.

-SS
 
Black Talons??

What is the current deal with Black Talons? Are they "legal" and can you still get them? What is the P/C situation with them if they would ever be used in self-defense?

Thanks for the quick reply.

DPS
 
Black Talons are and always were legal, Winchester just doesn't market them directly to non-law enforcement anymore.

CZ-75B 9x19mm: Winchester Q4280 127gr +P+ SXT
BCP Colt Delta Elite: Pro Load 180gr Gold Dots
S&W 610 Classic: Hornady 180gr XTP-Full

And since nobody else has corrected you yet, the right term is magazine, not clip... unless you are talking about a M1 Garand or C96 Mauser. Or my S&W 610 for that matter... :D

There are tons of old arguments about stagger-loading your mags here. Personally, I think it is silly and pointless.
 
Ya' know I ALMOST put magazine, but for some unkown reason I put "clip." I stand corrected. Thanks...I will adjust accordingly!

DPS
 
I am not a big fan of varying your loads in your mags. The situation will never go as you planned, and you'll probably end up using your ball rounds when the baddie is standing right in front of a school or something. Just find one good load/design and use it.

I knew a guy who would load 10 FMJs and 5 AP into his P89. (Don't ask me how he got the AP, I don't know. They sure stuck to magnets, though.) His reasoning was much like yours, he figured if he had fired 10 shots his target would probably be behind cover by then, so he'd need the extra penetration.

Me, I just load 6 big ol' hollow points into the .44. Penetration AND expansion.. :D
 
how do you load your magazine?

With my thumb?


No, seriously. I have darn little concern for specific bullets in most cases. Generally heavier in winter or the woods, lighter at work or in the apartment.
 
Staggering rounds is ridiculous. You're putting too much faith in the bullet instead your shooting. Let's see, the Hydra-Shok didn't bring him down, so maybe this Silvertip will. Oops, I guess not. Maybe there's a Golden Saber in there too.
 
Seven rounds of 230 grain Remington Golden Saber with 1 round of 230 grain Hornady Vector as the next to last round out. A visual alert that I'm close to empty.
 
I have heard this strange theory before...I still have to chuckle.
What do you do if the bullet pattern you have in your gun, doesnt match what the BG is doing? "Hey BG! Ya you, you cant be behind that wall right now! Man, come on.....now I have to rearrange my ammo.....hang on! Be right with you!"..............

Sounds like a real life situation, Huh? :D Shoot well
 
Only time I've hear this being done was in the olden days when cops carried .38's and anything more powerful was considered cruel. They would load one hot load to fire first, figuring once it was out the barrel no one would know the difference. That changed when ballistic science advanced, and when witnesses reported hearing BAANG bang bang bang.....

But, by all means, go for the best statistical probability. So eat healthy, wear your seat belt, and be careful in the bathtub because you are never going to be in a gunfight. Over 95% of policemen never fire their pistols in action during their careers - and their legal bills are paid for. If you are carrying a gun but not carrying an incapacitating spray, you're not cover the most likely eventuality, and one a lot less likely to get you sued and/or put in jail.
 
usually i start with an empty mag, take a round in the left hand, feed it into the mag. repeat until all space is taken up in the mag. this usually takes 16rnds <i have the evil pre-ban full caps for my p-99>, repeat, shift to 10rnd mags, follow same steps.


*grin*
 
curious thread

I can't imagine anyone who takes personal defense seriously tasking one's brain with what sort of projectiles to load into one's magazine! One of this, two of that, three of the other...:)

To me, that sounds like someone who hopes that varying styles of rounds will offset the lack of practice and proficiency with the handgun one has chosen to use for self-defense.:D :D

Don't know about you guys but I can't afford to shoot 500 or so rounds per month (which I do) if I'm sending Golden Sabers or Black Talons down range....so, like most, I reload or purchase factory re-loads by the thousands....

But at the end of each shooting session, I'll run two or three magazines of my personal choice (Golden Sabers) to remind myself of felt and perceived recoil, muzzle blast, etc.....so I won't be caught off-guard should I have to use the weapon in a real scenario. Mine happens to be a Gunsite 45acp all-steel commander with BarSto, NOvaks, etc.

So, find the round that fits your style, works in your handgun and makes you feel comfortable about first hit stopping power and load your mag with it.....
 
My step-dad used to do this with his .357 revolver. The first 3 were 38's, and the last 3 were full power .357s. I think he had some sort of "glass tipped" less than lethal .38 as the first shot, but I may be hallucinating and adding in something I read in a book (its been a while). I think his rationalization was the ability to "wound" or not over penetrate at first, then kill if the threat kept coming, also have some low power rounds up front in case my mom used the gun instead. This was 15-20 years ago, and he had no professional training, so his mindset was different that what we have today regarding "warning shots" and whether it is better to have wounded perp or a dead perp. I'm sure he would just advance the cylinder a few turns if he really needed those .357s rather than shoot some .38s before he "got serious". Anyway, other than putting in tracer as the last couple of rounds of an assault rifle magazine or using the street sweepers big rotary magazine to select various specialty loads of 12 gauge, I don't think there is much use to mixing loads, especially in a mag fed weapon. LAter.
 
VVG,

In this post you said, "... you are never going to be in a gunfight."

You have made much the same comment over and over in many other posts on this board.

WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME!

Since you are from Mass. and don't understand the concept of "freedom" (historically you did but have obviously forgotten those early lessons) you opinion on this subject doesn't carry much water.

Please refrain from you continued anti self-defense position. There are thousands of people every year in this country who would strongly disagree with you.
 
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