Seat Belt Laws: At Any Cost
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stephen426
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Markos,
I hear you and I understnad your reasoning. Smoking has been banned in many public places because it does affect other people. If you get lung cancer, it is not something the hospitals have to treat unless you have insurance.
I don't thinks guns should be on your list because it may actually save you from going to the hospital. Just be sure to kill the bad guy to save the expense of treating him, not to mention yourself from a civil suit (unless it comes form his family).
As for skydiving, the only expense comes from having the road kill crew scrape you up. No much chance of needing treatment for that one!
Same for flying a plane, most plane crashes don't require medical treatment either. Often times, you get free cremation thrown in. (Here are your husband's ashes... at least we think they were your husbands. Sorry... I know... not funny with the recent plane crashes).
Driving would probably be a better example since auto accidents kill so many people every year. The problem is that driving is pretty much a necessity most of the time.
As for McDonald's Big Macs, they should be outlawed. We have such a rediculous rate of obesity in the US. We are a nation of PIGS!!! I was reading something on MSN the other day and our national obesity rates are over 22%. That only covers obese people. I'd hate to guess how many are over weight but not considered obese yet. I'm not trying to turn anyone into an anorexic but obesity leads to a whole slew of health problems. How about heart disease for one, or diabetes. Don't forget the psychological damage obese people go through in life. BAN BIG MACS NOW!!!
I hear you and I understnad your reasoning. Smoking has been banned in many public places because it does affect other people. If you get lung cancer, it is not something the hospitals have to treat unless you have insurance.
I don't thinks guns should be on your list because it may actually save you from going to the hospital. Just be sure to kill the bad guy to save the expense of treating him, not to mention yourself from a civil suit (unless it comes form his family).
As for skydiving, the only expense comes from having the road kill crew scrape you up. No much chance of needing treatment for that one!
Same for flying a plane, most plane crashes don't require medical treatment either. Often times, you get free cremation thrown in. (Here are your husband's ashes... at least we think they were your husbands. Sorry... I know... not funny with the recent plane crashes).Driving would probably be a better example since auto accidents kill so many people every year. The problem is that driving is pretty much a necessity most of the time.
As for McDonald's Big Macs, they should be outlawed. We have such a rediculous rate of obesity in the US. We are a nation of PIGS!!! I was reading something on MSN the other day and our national obesity rates are over 22%. That only covers obese people. I'd hate to guess how many are over weight but not considered obese yet. I'm not trying to turn anyone into an anorexic but obesity leads to a whole slew of health problems. How about heart disease for one, or diabetes. Don't forget the psychological damage obese people go through in life. BAN BIG MACS NOW!!!
I never tire of Marko, he is a man of few words but when he speaks, he hits it everytime. He said the same thing that I was thinking:
Sadly Marko, there are more than enough out there that will trample peoples lives for the nanny state.
As for my .02:
The federal government and the state government could care the hell (is that okay to say
) less about the "citizens". We are just cash cows to them. Seat belt laws, helmet laws, every "nanny state" law is for revenue.
That's it.
And to them, taking your home and selling it, keeping the money, because you couldn't pay property taxes, is in line for them, just as killing/injuring anyone by force so they can get more money from the cash cows, us.
I bet you that if you were given community service as a punishment instead of a monatary fine for violations, the LEO's, city, state and the government wouldn't even try to enforce some laws like the seatbelt/helmet laws. It's not worth their time, no money.
Wayne
Sadly Marko, there are more than enough out there that will trample peoples lives for the nanny state.
As for my .02:
The federal government and the state government could care the hell (is that okay to say
) less about the "citizens". We are just cash cows to them. Seat belt laws, helmet laws, every "nanny state" law is for revenue.That's it.
And to them, taking your home and selling it, keeping the money, because you couldn't pay property taxes, is in line for them, just as killing/injuring anyone by force so they can get more money from the cash cows, us.
I bet you that if you were given community service as a punishment instead of a monatary fine for violations, the LEO's, city, state and the government wouldn't even try to enforce some laws like the seatbelt/helmet laws. It's not worth their time, no money.
Wayne
shootinstudent
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That's the whole point. What the heck do we need a law for that requires the issue of arrest warrants over a seatbelt fine?
The police were required to do the job by law. The problem is that the requirement of the law in this case was absurd, and because of the contact it mandated between that poor man and those two officers, someone is now dead.
Why do we need to deal with all the risks and dangers an arrest can create over a stupid seatbelt fine?
That's the question you should be asking, not "why didn't this guy do umpteen things (even though we don't know what actually happened) differently so that the arrest went smoothly?"
Rich Lucibella
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Sir-sendec said:
In high school and third rate colleges, you may slip by a twist of others' words or an extrapolation in debate; even here, some will let it slide. I am not some.
For the THIRD time, what is it that you do not understand about my first post which stated:
Nuance, sendec; it's all about nuance. I didn't blame the seat belt laws; I blamed general attitudes like yours. See the nuance?
Rich
Rich Lucibella
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Symptom, sendec. Symptom.
The SB laws and all those like it are really a problem, yes; but getting rid of Seat Belt Criminals will hardly solve The Problem; therefore, it's a very visible symptom.....someone's Dad died, probably unnecessarily, because of The Problem.
Buy that man a Sasparilla. You're finally catching on. That's correct, sendec; cops are supposed to decide which laws to enforce or not. Why? Because they already DO SO every hour of every shift. And one VERY GOOD cop on this thread already stated that he's more involved in catching criminals than generating revenues. YMMV.
Not too much nuance; simply too much sound byte. The same argument has probably been advanced by every StormTrooper in every Police State in history.
Rich
Yep, people accruing warrants for J-walking...and sleeping on bus benches...
http://www.snrpc.org/Agendas_Minutes/Old_Tech_Minutes/TechMinutes070804.pdf.
MEETING MINUTES SOUTHERN NEVADA REGIONAL PLANNING COALITION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE JULY 8, 2004
"Frank Perna, private citizen, made comment regarding an article in the Las Vegas Sun newspaper about the homelessness. He stated that the article talks about the opposite of what the Technical Committee talked about during the meeting. He stated that comments made by the City Attorney and Police Chief Young are that they have had quite enough of the homeless people accruing warrants for such things as J-walking, and sleeping on bus benches."
http://www.snrpc.org/Agendas_Minutes/Old_Tech_Minutes/TechMinutes070804.pdf.
MEETING MINUTES SOUTHERN NEVADA REGIONAL PLANNING COALITION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE JULY 8, 2004
"Frank Perna, private citizen, made comment regarding an article in the Las Vegas Sun newspaper about the homelessness. He stated that the article talks about the opposite of what the Technical Committee talked about during the meeting. He stated that comments made by the City Attorney and Police Chief Young are that they have had quite enough of the homeless people accruing warrants for such things as J-walking, and sleeping on bus benches."
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Alrighty, then....sendec may or may not be in favor of more laws to protect people from themselves.
Back to your regularly scheduled program all.
Rich
cracked butt
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R-L: I argued this subject with you a few weeks ago. I have to admit that I now see something bright and shiny, yes I'm pretty sure its something called 'the light.'
"That's the whole point. What the heck do we need a law for that requires the issue of arrest warrants over a seatbelt fine?"
Huh? It's a no-brainer. It's been like this for *years*. Here's the way it works:
1) Get a ticket
2) Sign the ticket
3) Pay it, fight it, or do nothing
4) If pay, you lose; if fight, you win or lose; if do nothing, get a warrant
5) If warrant, expect police to make you unhappy at some future time
Tim
Huh? It's a no-brainer. It's been like this for *years*. Here's the way it works:
1) Get a ticket
2) Sign the ticket
3) Pay it, fight it, or do nothing
4) If pay, you lose; if fight, you win or lose; if do nothing, get a warrant
5) If warrant, expect police to make you unhappy at some future time
Tim
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Tim-
Sounds great.
God forbid one should insert anywhere in the above:
"Question the reason for that entire law and enforcement process in the first place".
Might actually require an independent thought on the part of American Citizens......and that would never do...it just mucks up the March-O-Progress.
Rich
Sounds great.
God forbid one should insert anywhere in the above:
"Question the reason for that entire law and enforcement process in the first place".
Might actually require an independent thought on the part of American Citizens......and that would never do...it just mucks up the March-O-Progress.
Rich
If I am in an accident I am the only one hurt if i am not wearing a seat belt.
I will have to disagree with this. There could be many a situation in which a collision could somehow dislodge a driver, causing him to loose control of the vehicle. A seatbelt would keep the driver firmly in the seat and on the wheel, able to prevent further collision or steer in a safe direction.
Just 3 weeks ago my Dad was broadsided by a vietnameez kid in a Honda Civic who seems to think Stop signs are just there to look cool. I was in the passenger side and got slammed to the right. And I know for damn sure that if my Dad had not had his seatbelt on he would have been right on top of me. But he was able to maintain control and stop on our side of the road. We were hit in the back left and the car was veering into the other lane, with oncomming traffic. If not for a seatbelt, we would have been compounding the accident and it could have ended in a lethal manner.
So to hear this statement from anyone fires me up a little, having first hand experience. I attest this to the fact that you are not fully educated in the uses of the seatbelt. Now you know.
After the collision the kid tried to get away. But the LEO's found him just a little bit later. Great work by them. And thank god for seatbelts. Everyone should wear them. If your driving where there are others on the road, wear it, I don't care what the excuse is.
I will have to disagree with this. There could be many a situation in which a collision could somehow dislodge a driver, causing him to loose control of the vehicle. A seatbelt would keep the driver firmly in the seat and on the wheel, able to prevent further collision or steer in a safe direction.
Just 3 weeks ago my Dad was broadsided by a vietnameez kid in a Honda Civic who seems to think Stop signs are just there to look cool. I was in the passenger side and got slammed to the right. And I know for damn sure that if my Dad had not had his seatbelt on he would have been right on top of me. But he was able to maintain control and stop on our side of the road. We were hit in the back left and the car was veering into the other lane, with oncomming traffic. If not for a seatbelt, we would have been compounding the accident and it could have ended in a lethal manner.
So to hear this statement from anyone fires me up a little, having first hand experience. I attest this to the fact that you are not fully educated in the uses of the seatbelt. Now you know.
After the collision the kid tried to get away. But the LEO's found him just a little bit later. Great work by them. And thank god for seatbelts. Everyone should wear them. If your driving where there are others on the road, wear it, I don't care what the excuse is.