Scenario - Hot Dog

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Anyone who would set fire to a live dog that is calm enough to allow itself to be tied to a tree is clearly a sociopath and a threat to any other creature unable to defend itself. I can tell you that I will offer a serious beating to anyone persisting in such behavior after being asked to stop. I have to answer to the eyes in the mirror every morning and find myself unable to allow such behavior to go unchallenged. Specific actions will be decided by the escalation or de-escalation of this scenario.

Violence unchallenged is violence unleashed.
 
Glen,
I hear ya, but any situation is dynamic. I couldn't sleep at night seeing the flames in the rear-view mirror, and I doubt they'd find a jury of 12 animal haters willing to do much to me. If this nut is burning a dog today, how long before he decides to try burning a hooker or some poor kid he snatched from a department store? I realize the responsibilities involved here, and maybe it's a weak point with me, but I couldn't stand for it. I don't usually say I'll take my chances, but this kind of behavior needs intervention IMOHO. This situation refers to no cops available, and I just couldn't stand by. Maybe I'll take your advice half way and only hit him a few times because he "resisted".
Cheers! Time to go feed my dogs.
 
I would be very tempted to shoot the crazy sorry sadistic fatherless coward-in-question. And if it came right down to him torching the friend of some little boy or the semi-child of some girl or lady or just some friendly innocent pup and his worthless life...and the fact that the law, as Mr. Meyer pointed out, would seem to allow for (defense of property and arson) it without me going to jail...I might very well send that guy to his final Judgement.

Ideally however, if I was close enough to make a difference and prevent that dog from being burned...I would OC spray him and beat the living human waste out of that sadistic lowlife to....ensure he is subdued.

But the former would probably be all the time I'd have to do.

BTW, what jury in the world would convict me anyway?
 
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You probably wouldn't be convicted, that's true.

But...in the months that you'd be stuck in jail awaiting trial, you'd likely lose your job, maybe your home, definately your life savings, and possibly your wife/children.

And all for some mutt that the pound ends up gassing anyways.

Good thinking there.
 
Just because you can shoot doesn't mean you should shoot. When I teach CCW classes my standard recommendation is that you use deadly force only to protect yourself or someone you like a whole lot. And something to think about: is what you are about to do worth losing your life, losing your liberty, losing all your money and assets, losing your home, losing the right to ever carry a gun again, or being separated from your loved ones for an extended period of time, possibly the rest of your life? Those are all possible outcomes when you choose to intervene.
I like dogs and cats and other assorted living creatures, but I'm not taking the chance on losing everything I've worked for to save one.
 
No doubt the dog would shake and the moron would have gas on his clothes too. I always carry a flare gun when I might be out of cell/radio range. Don't know if I'd have time to fish it out, (tongue in cheek) but if I were sending a help signal, and I accidentally misfired it, ooops,...
 
And something to think about: is what you are about to do worth losing your life, losing your liberty, losing all your money and assets, losing your home, losing the right to ever carry a gun again, or being separated from your loved ones for an extended period of time, possibly the rest of your life? Those are all possible outcomes when you choose to intervene.
I like dogs and cats and other assorted living creatures, but I'm not taking the chance on losing everything I've worked for to save one.
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But...in the months that you'd be stuck in jail awaiting trial, you'd likely lose your job, maybe your home, definately your life savings, and possibly your wife/children.
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Well, that's true too. Unfortunatly in the day and age where we value scumbag's life more than my life or your life or innocent people's lives, it can't be just "thanks for shooting the sorry b-----d, we've been trying to catch him a long time. You have a nice day." Attorney's (who run the so-called judicial system from PI Attorney to Judges) want to ensure they get as much of your money as possible. Therefore every time somebody steps on a crack in the sidewalk it has to go to court (along with your money)
Makes one want to ponder doing what a lot of farmers and ranchers do whenever an "endangered" EPA protected coyote or wolf attacks their livestock or chickens....shoot it, bury it and shut up about it....(but that would be going into illegal activity and we don't want to go there:D)
Sooo, officially I'll just say I'd, shoot the dog, OC spray him and wait until the police get there (which will probably a very long time that he will be in my custody ;)) I forsee him going to prison in a wheelchair

I'm all for helping out when needed but what some of you guys are talking about amounts to murder.
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No, Sir. We are talking about 1) preventing destruction to the property of another 2) preventing arson from taking place which could light up the whole country side 3) destroying a worthless sack of garbage that is sadistic and cruel and, with such a sick mindset, would have no qualms ultimatly with setting fire to a person.
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You advance menacingly toward pyro boy. He fears for his life and draws down on you! Whether you were coming at him unarmed, armed with other, or armed with a firearm, is he now legally able to shoot you? Never mind who gets shot here or who's story is believed. Is he now legally able to defend himself against you?
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How so? HE is the one who instigated the crime. That is like saying that if you approach a robber in your home, armed or unarmed, he is legally allowed to defend himself against you.

If there were enough witnesses...or even if there weren't (the burden of proof is on the DA) if your word is all that is there. What decent DA is going to want to go to court over it?

Doesn't there have to be a hearing first to determine if a trial is warranted?

But, supposing it did go to court, nobody could deny that anyone acting in a manner such as this individual was could be considered anything other than dangerous. As dangerous as a knife weilder, a gun weilder or just some wild man running around mad beating on people. In a nutshell, they are crazy...a mad dog and as such they need to be shot on spot. That's why it shouldn't (though in this day and age it probably would) go to court.
 
No, Sir. We are talking about 1) preventing destruction to the property of another 2) preventing arson from taking place which could light up the whole country side 3) destroying a worthless sack of garbage that is sadistic and cruel and, with such a sick mindset, would have no qualms ultimatly with setting fire to a person.
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This sounds good on paper. It may be true in fact, but you wouldn't know it until after the fact. In the meantime, it's speculative, judgemental, and opinion. Are you willing to bet your freedom, and your familys financial well being on what amounts to speculation that you would be doing the right thing?

I think your heart is in the right place, but your brain hasn't considered all the possibilities that could happen to you if any of your speculations turn out to be incorrect. And over a dog no less. I'd have to err on the side of family on this scenario.
 
I'd pull my gun out and tell this sicko to put the dog down. I'd then call the popo and humane society while holding him at gunpoint
 
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good idea. The bottom line is, I don't think any of us could just stand there and just say "please don't do that" if someone was about to sadistically torture and murder an harmless innocent animal.
Especially one that is the property of someone else. Pets, as most of us know personally, are not just property, they are almost part of the family. They are a friend.
 
I could. Animals are property, no more no less. I would not like it but pulling a gun over the life of some critter is INSANE.

Lots of you guys need serious mental health care... or a job at animal control for a few weeks. Once you see a few dozen 40 gallon drums filled with perfectly good pets that nobody wants, things may come into focus.

The life of a pet is barely worth a cross word.
 
What if you just shot him and said the dog was yours. That way he was commiting arson as well as destruction of your property. Probably would have to get rid of the tags and figure out how this man got your dog.
 
Nobody wondered yet, how slow you'd have to be driving to observer him tying the dog to the tree AND dousing it with gas. Or what the terrain might be for that matter. The man would have to be right on the side of a 20mph street with a LONG unobstructed view for you to even get an idea of what the heck he was doing in the first place! Maybe he was right across from the country store you were pulling into to get gas?
 
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