Sccy is acting up
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mkiker2089
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They said it's not a transfer so the laws don't apply. I too find it to be odd but then again it makes sense. If it came from my house they have a right to assume that I legally acquired it. All they are doing is returning it to my house, where it came from.
Most of our gun laws are just annoyances to the honest anyway. Someone trafficking illegal arms won't be mailing them to the factory for warranty work. That's a whole new can of worms however
For what it's worth my experience has been positive with the new company. I say new because it's a new management team. They hired a president from Glock a year or so ago, but he's in prison now for a bribery scandal. Their founder seems to be taking more of the work personally and they have a new president who might actually keep the promises that the past ones made (the 380 is an "improved design".) I'm not saying to buy another Sccy because there are too many companies that you haven't tried yet. I am saying that the people who wronged you may no longer be employees.
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As a side not Taurus just agreed to a 30 million settlement over perceived safety issues. I personally want a Taurus and think most of the modern gun makers are top notch. Problems do seem to arise however and how a company deals with them is the important part.
Most of our gun laws are just annoyances to the honest anyway. Someone trafficking illegal arms won't be mailing them to the factory for warranty work. That's a whole new can of worms however
For what it's worth my experience has been positive with the new company. I say new because it's a new management team. They hired a president from Glock a year or so ago, but he's in prison now for a bribery scandal. Their founder seems to be taking more of the work personally and they have a new president who might actually keep the promises that the past ones made (the 380 is an "improved design".) I'm not saying to buy another Sccy because there are too many companies that you haven't tried yet. I am saying that the people who wronged you may no longer be employees.
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As a side not Taurus just agreed to a 30 million settlement over perceived safety issues. I personally want a Taurus and think most of the modern gun makers are top notch. Problems do seem to arise however and how a company deals with them is the important part.
It is not a transfer of ownership. My experience with only one handgun was its return by UPS with signature required of the owner. This was a few years ago with a Remington R1.
My dealings with SCCY was a person to person handoff when I visited Daytona Beach.
The following video is not of my making but of interest: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/20/sccy-industries-factory-tour/
My dealings with SCCY was a person to person handoff when I visited Daytona Beach.
The following video is not of my making but of interest: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/20/sccy-industries-factory-tour/
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Walt Sherrill
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I don't think SCCY has that right. The rules covering transfer are set by state law and federal law. If the transfer is across state lines, federal laws control; if its within a state, state law controls. The rules covering the shipment of firearms through the the US Postal Service mails are different and aren't about TRANSFERS.
You can MAIL some firearms to yourself within a state, or to yourself in another state, if you are the one receiving and opening the package. But the firearms allowed DO NOT include handguns.
I have a Curio & Relic FFL, and I can't even mail a C&R handgun to another C&R FFL unless it's classified as an ANTIQUE. See section 432.2a at the link below.
I suspect SCCY is misreading the postal regs which,IF YOU PUT emphasis on the underlined part below -- (my underlining), seems to allow it. That's not what it says:
432.23 Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers
Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms, licensed dealers of firearms, and licensed importers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.
Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms, licensed dealers of firearms, and licensed importers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.
It says firearms may they be mailed between licensees as part of customary trade OR for repair, or or replacement of parts. There's nothing in that postal reg language that say they can mail a handgun to a non-licensed individual. (Or, for that matter, that a non-licensed individual can MAIL the gun to the manufacturer.)
They're confusing SHIPPING with MAILING. You don't have to use an FFL to ship a handguns to or receive a handgun from a gun maker or gunsmith, but you can't use the U.S. Postal Service. A gun maker can SHIP a handgun to an unlicensed individual who owns the gun-- they're just returning property. But it must be done through FedEx or UPS.
This is from the USPS website, and it addresses handgun shipment: http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm
The following chart is from that site -- and you'll notice that all addresses are listed, and a private individual (who sent his gun in for warranty work) isn't among them. You're supposed to use a common carrier, and right now, only UPS and FedEx will do it -- for a very high price.
I'm surprised that SCCY hasn't gotten in trouble for this. USPS Priority Mail is quite inexpensive. UPS or FedEX is more costly -- even when the gunmaker works out a special deal, as most of them do.
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Walt Sherrill
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Skizzums,
I think you misunderstood what/why I wrote what I did. It is a good bit more complicated that the SCCY rep. explained. I was responding to the points quoted above (to which I have added emphasis).
Having it picked up by UPS or FedEx (rather than using the mail) might be possible, but it's not easily done, as the pickup/delivery guys won't always willing to do it. You generally have to take the handgun to a UPS or FedEx HUB, and they're not always nearby. The closest one may be many miles away! An FFL can have a handgun picked up and can receive them that way. UPS stores aren't supposed to accept handguns -- as the stores are owned and operated by all private contractors working with UPS and using their firm's name -- but they are not really UPS employees.
That it wasn't a transfer was irrelevant. The fact that the SCCY rep even mentioned THAT suggests he or his firm doesn't really understand what's required. They could get have some problems.
The gunmaker CANNOT LEGALLY USE THE U.S. MAILS to send a handgun to anyone but a federal firearms licensee. A non-licensee cannot legally MAIL a handgun to them.
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mkiker2089
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Walt, the mistake was mine. I used the term mailing but they may have meant UPS. I use the term to mean any of the three majors.
Mine is going to an FFL but if they sent it to me they probably would have used UPS and I know they would want a signature.
Sccy is probably correct and I'm just muddling up the facts. I didn't want it coming to my home because I would probably miss the delivery.
The lady advised sending it to my home because she was concerned that some FFL holders charge a fee to receive packages.
Mine is going to an FFL but if they sent it to me they probably would have used UPS and I know they would want a signature.
Sccy is probably correct and I'm just muddling up the facts. I didn't want it coming to my home because I would probably miss the delivery.
The lady advised sending it to my home because she was concerned that some FFL holders charge a fee to receive packages.
Walt Sherrill
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FFLs can mail a gun for you, and it can be a LOT cheaper than using you UPS or FedEx. Unless the FFL has a special rate from the shipper, it'll be cheaper than them using FedEx or UPS.
I was going to ship a handgun to Washington state last year, and it would have been more than $100. I could do that myself, using FedEx or UPS. My FFL could have done it by mail, using priority mail, have it insured, pay the FFL's fee, and come out for less than $40. I decided not to ship the gun, and eventually sold it. (I wasn't sure the work I was going to have done would make me like the gun enough to keep it.)
Your FFL may be able to use the US MAILs, too -- not all do. It's a big money saver.
I was going to ship a handgun to Washington state last year, and it would have been more than $100. I could do that myself, using FedEx or UPS. My FFL could have done it by mail, using priority mail, have it insured, pay the FFL's fee, and come out for less than $40. I decided not to ship the gun, and eventually sold it. (I wasn't sure the work I was going to have done would make me like the gun enough to keep it.)
Your FFL may be able to use the US MAILs, too -- not all do. It's a big money saver.
mkiker2089
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I used my gun the other day and I have good news as well as bad. The good is that the bullets all go to the right now. The bad news is that they are still erratic and go from 2 feet to 10 feet to the right with no perceptible pattern.
Remington74
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My SCCY throws the brass to the front of the firing line, about 3 to 8 feet in front of me, never measured it myself. If your gun is now throwing them to the right and the variation is 2 to 10 feet this may be just fine and normal.
BUT if it still concerns you I wonder if this may be a wide variation in the ammo itself, weaker loads vs slightly more powerful loads. Were you still shooting the reloads or factory new?
Have you owned/fired any other autoloaders that were more consistent?
I have owned and shot many autos of various brands and calibers, none of them would toss the brass into a bucket.
And finally, how are you doing on the targets? I have shot with some people who were reloaders and they tended to watch more closely where the brass was landing then concentrating on hitting the target.
BUT if it still concerns you I wonder if this may be a wide variation in the ammo itself, weaker loads vs slightly more powerful loads. Were you still shooting the reloads or factory new?
Have you owned/fired any other autoloaders that were more consistent?
I have owned and shot many autos of various brands and calibers, none of them would toss the brass into a bucket.
And finally, how are you doing on the targets? I have shot with some people who were reloaders and they tended to watch more closely where the brass was landing then concentrating on hitting the target.
mkiker2089
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I assume it's normal because Sccy tested it after replacing the ejector. I don't see a difference with different ammo and I have tried many brands and weights. I even tried buckshot and the 98gr lites.
My nephews FN will put the casings in a bucket but it has a flaw in being picky about what ammo it likes. Off brand 115gr can be problematic and anything less regardless of brand is a no go. Being most 9mm are 115 he has to be careful and get name brand stuff or have it professionally loaded. We happen to know a pro who can make custom loads.
As for my aim, that's still a problem. I've found that the gun is harder to hold than my revolver. I don't feel a lot of recoil but the gun does have a fair amount of muzzle flip. That seems to be affecting my aim although I still think the bullet is gone before the flip. Either that or somehow I pull up when squeezing the trigger instead of down. I've modified my thumbs forward to to have my left index finger up and on the bottom of the gun and that has helped but feels wrong.
My revolver has more muzzle flip and it aims better. I do know the problem is in my style though because the rangemaster was able to get bulls eyes with it.
edit-- now that I recall it my first few shots with a revolver were high, maybe it's how I sight things up? Practice is helping though.
My nephews FN will put the casings in a bucket but it has a flaw in being picky about what ammo it likes. Off brand 115gr can be problematic and anything less regardless of brand is a no go. Being most 9mm are 115 he has to be careful and get name brand stuff or have it professionally loaded. We happen to know a pro who can make custom loads.
As for my aim, that's still a problem. I've found that the gun is harder to hold than my revolver. I don't feel a lot of recoil but the gun does have a fair amount of muzzle flip. That seems to be affecting my aim although I still think the bullet is gone before the flip. Either that or somehow I pull up when squeezing the trigger instead of down. I've modified my thumbs forward to to have my left index finger up and on the bottom of the gun and that has helped but feels wrong.
My revolver has more muzzle flip and it aims better. I do know the problem is in my style though because the rangemaster was able to get bulls eyes with it.
edit-- now that I recall it my first few shots with a revolver were high, maybe it's how I sight things up? Practice is helping though.
orionengnr
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If you have been hit in the head by multiple bullets, you are very lucky to be able to post. Or walk, talk or anything, for that matter.
Remington74
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Have someone load a mag or two for you with one round being a snap-cap but at different positions in the magazine.
When you get to the snap-cap you will know what your response is to anticipated recoil.
When you get to the snap-cap you will know what your response is to anticipated recoil.