Scavenging firecrackers Black Powder for reloading 12 ga shotshells

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There is really no telling what they are using, your guess is as good as mine.

If you have ever seen F, FF or even FFF BP you would also understand that the stuff you are messing with is much finer, thus has much more surface area. So even if it were the same "mix" it won't have the same burn rate.

If the stuff is potassium perchlorate and aluminum or magnesium powder, I would bet something is going to be destroyed and I hope it's not you.

If everything is illegal to obtain a decent propellant, is the end result you are trying to achieve legal?
 
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The launching powder ("polvora" part of the rocket) looks a Little like this: it's really coarse.
Cold-Brewed-Iced-Coffee-Recipe-Coast-Roast-Coffee-1.jpg

Origin of Picture: http://www.culicurious.com/cold-brewed-iced-coffee-recipe/
 
I have made black powder with fertilizer-grade KNO3 and sulfur, and homemade charcoal, mainly just to see if I could do it. I loaded a couple of .45 Colt cartridge with it, and if I recall correctly it worked okay. The biggest problem I had was getting it sufficiently dry, and then when it was dry enough the grains fell apart.

I used white cedar for the charcoal. Willow would be better. Cottonwood gunpowder allegedly burns very fast but is dirty even by black powder standards. Hardwood (oak, hickory, etc) and yellow pine charcoal are not that great.

"Cody's Lab" on youtube has a video where he made his own KNO3 and made gunpowder with that. The process was interesting.

If everything is illegal to obtain a decent propellant, is the end result you are trying to achieve legal?
When everything is illegal, it doesn't matter anymore. In that environment nothing is illegal if you keep your head down. I think that might be where OP is.
 
Yes it is legal. Like owning an firearm is legal but killing someone with it is illegal.
Things here work different than in Good 'ol USA.

As well like owning drugs in the USA is illegal but there are drugs on the street and not all drug dealers are in jail.

Some call that as well skirting the law. Much people may tell me it is illegal to reload since they envy me. Law equals here very often to personal opinion and convictions. And most people are very convicted of money and have awesome opinions about money as well. Specially Police lawyers judges politicians entrepeneurs and pastors.
 
Guy,
You have come up with some remarkable solutions for your situation.
Kind of like what the resistant groups must have done during WW2.
But they were willing to take great and necessary risks with little to lose.
Have you ever considered taking up archery?
It might be healthier in the long run.
Just a thought.
 
...like owning drugs in the USA is illegal but there are drugs on the street and not all drug dealers are in jail.

I see, "it's only wrong if you get caught".

Unclenick is mostly a stickler on the copyright forum rules but it seems what you are doing is also in violation of them.

5. Topics and conduct that will not be tolerated:
...
Knowingly and willfully advocating violation of a standing federal or state law (any state)
 
All the old books on pyrotechnics describe making and using low grade black powder for fuses and for launch powder. The brownish color of the powder you collected in the bag is a common indicator of this type of powder as it means the charcoal making was hurried and not too complete. This saves time and energy when all you need is something adequate rather than great. Sometimes they also make a version of black blasting powder for this. Blasting powder was common in the 19th century before dynamite was invented and it was made with sodium nitrate for cost reasons. Sodium nitrate attracts moisture much more readily than potassium nitrate, so it isn't always as reliable. Sodium nitrate is also referred to as "Chile saltpeter" in old texts because the country of Chile (also Peru) have large deposits they mine. I don't know which one is used in your domestic fireworks.

The notice you got from the Castboolits.gunloads.com says your IP address is banned. This is not because they don't want you to see the site, but because they were getting spam posts from South America and probably banned whole blocks of IP addresses there, and not just your's in particular. We also block a lot IP addresses and ranges of IP addresses on this board because of a history of spam posts coming from them, but we do this based on a history of spam posts from them, and the reason your IP address was not blocked here is that we haven't had a problem with spam in your IP address range here.

I'll drop a line to the admin over there and ask if he'll unblock your IP. We'll see what happens.

Nothing I've seen thus far in this thread describes things I learned about making really good black powder back in the 60's; stuff you couldn't visually tell from what came out of a DuPont can back then. There are lots of resources in books and on the web about this stuff, and I realize I am probably therefore stubbornly holding the door closed on an empty barn. But since I did that stuff as a teenager, so I figure the main terrorist threat to misuse of the information would come from disaffected teenagers educated in schools that sheltered them from developing coping mechanisms for handling losing, rejection, or hard work, and who never learned what a library card file is and who therefore can't research anything that isn't posted somewhere on the Internet. I just don't personally want to offer them helpful hints that show up in a Google search. They're going to have to work for it like I did, and if they do go to all that trouble, they'll probably have learned something about purpose and focus that makes them a little less disaffected. One can only hope.

For the above reasons and concern over Mr. Morris's point, I'm going to close this thread and ask everyone to take addition helpful hints to PM's to the TheGuyOfSouthAmerica.
 
jmorris,

My Internet was down due to a lightening stroke (Blitz).

There is a saying: >>Don't be more popist than the Pope is<< (spanish: No sea mas papista que el Papa). Meaning: don't be more lawfull than the lawyers are.
I am sure I violated all kinds of rules specially those pro Marihuana where they legalised the drug, since I am strictly against Marihuana. I am against alcohol as well and violated the law what legalises alcoholics (I am an Prohibitionist so to speak).
You see. Whatever you move is your surely step on someones toes and somebody is pissed off.

BTW, all my reloading Equipment is slowly arriving but for an steep triple Price. But fortunatelly reloading is paying off slowly since factory ammo Prices are rising like crazy due to Money greedyness of local retail gun stores.
 
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Dear Unclenick,

I have to correct something. The photo of the coffee is ILLUSTRATIVE ONLY. It is not the actual Black Powder (it is a photo of coffee ground to similar coarsity than the rockets BP is).

But here I post the actual photo of the "Black Powder" of the rocket and the fine ground explosive powder of the bombs.
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The coarse Black Powder on top is actually the rockets launching powder. It is about 25 grains. I assume it is BP.
The fine ground powder is actually the powder of 1 (one) of the bombs. I assume it is an explosive powder.
Besides that on the left you see 2 of the bombs (no opened). Each rocket has 3 bombs.

I found the BP (launching powder only) is not sufficient for the 7/8 oz Lee drive key slug or any other Charge. It has to less power.
But adding 1 of the bombs powder gives a nice 12 ga slug round. It has (a Little) less recoil than smokeless powder (which came in the 12 ga Shell).

So what I do is putting into those empty primed Shells the coarse launching powder and then on top the powder of one of the bombs. On top of that the wad with the slug and crimp it (soon I have the crimper).
BP + bomb powder gives a nice Flash and lots of smoke. I felt the Barrel right after Shooting and can NOT FIND IT GETS HOT.

I shot 12 shots of this and one was a dude (did not go off).
 

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I'm not sure how to respond here, other than to say that mixing flash powder and black powder might be friction sensitive and shock sensitive due to the combination of perchlorate and sulfur. It also might decompose from the action of acid (from the sulfur) on the magnesium or the oxidizer.

I am not a pyro expert by any means, but I think that mixture is more dangerous than you think. Adding a little chalk dust (to neutralize the acid as it forms) might help with the longterm storage safety, but not the friction sensitivity. And I don't know how much "a little" is.
 
Like that in the Picture (that actual amount of BP and bomb powder you see on the picture) is the load for 1 12 ga shotshell.

I have shot 11 of them with success.

My concern is as well stability and safety. I store those loaded round away outside in an iron Container in order to Limit it's effect should it explode.

I do not know why those are dangerous since they are approved by the Brazilian governement. Their regulations are sometimes as strict as developed countries regulatory norms.
Supposedly those rockets are Transport safe. If the chemicals would autoignite they would for sure not be allowed to enter the marked.

The idea is to get some scientific Analysis of the properties of those deflagrants/explosivs.
I wonder if small amount of explosive powder can be safely used as bullet propellant.
This (1) bomb powder may be about from 5 to 10 grains in weight.
 
Oh yes! 10 GRAMS can kill.

I wrote 10 GRAINS. 1 gram contains 15 grains.

I figure this. If it did not blow up in the first place and did not in the 12th place it ain't blowing up at all.

I put even 2 of the powder Content of the bombs (without the BP) and that gave a slightly less recoil than BP + 1 bomb powder.

Although putting first the powder of 1 bomb and then on top the Black Powder that gives a slight lag (hang fire) of firing (milliseconds but noticeable).
 
I know you typed grains.

Two questions for you. What is the chemical composition of your flash powder? What are the hazards of mixing these chemicals?
 
Flash powder is classified as a high explosive. It can be ignited by a static charge. It can ignite simply under its own weight.

This is NOT the forum for asking these types of questions. Firearms and flash powders DO NOT go together.
 
I am not sure. in that case this product would not be released to the public.

If the bombs go off any time under it's ows weight, holy crap they would not relaese for sales These rockets.
Same for if they go off by an static Charge.

However These rockets are launched to the market and would not be used if accidents were frecuent.

As well I checked the Barrel of the Maverick 88 and the Thing is thick and it's chamber has an thick steel wall.

But yes the bomb powder is of uncertain Content. However I wonder if small amounts of blasting powder may be used for loading an 30-30 win, 308 win, 30-06 or the like cartridges. Like 5 grains of blasting powder will give you the same velocity as lets say 15 grains of propper powder for the caliber.

My assumption is: Blasting powder is a form of propellant but a very quick burning one. So you Need very small amounts of it to get the same effects as with propper propellant.
Basically: Blasting powder is like using pistol (handgun) powder in rifle rounds. Alliant Unique you can use in 30-30 Win but not to full power. As well you may use Bullseye in 308 but not to full power (way less quantity). For example if you use Bullseye powder in 308 you may get the power Levels of an 380 acp or 38spl before pressures (Detonation) rise to dangerous Limits. Is this reasonable and has this an cientific Support?

What say experts? Chemists?
 
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