Scary; Glad this guy is not wearing a badge anymore

Did you not ban TBO from this site for posting in the same manner?


Mr. Wildcards diatribes equal that and then some. Why the disparity Rich?
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Charlie-
I'm more out of pocket than in thru Wednesday. Regardless....lemme ask you one question and then make one statement.

Question:
You're a Cop. A REALLY good one. Will you, too, squander this exquisite opportunity to rally around a couple other REALLY good Cops and decrease the widening chasm just to pursue an internal TFL "gotcha"? Your call, Charlie.

Statement:
If I've banned someone from TFL and you have a problem with that, I think my email is pretty much available.

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Wildcard-
Stow it.
We just pledged $1000 to the re-election campaign of Pueblo, CO Sheriff Dan Corsentino as a direct result of a thread you posted.....and "we" live in Florida. Time for the rubber to meet the road, son. Every penny you pledge, up to an additional $1000, we will match 2:1....in addition to the original contribution.

Step up, step up, step up! We've read your plethora of police abuse....and have backed you on many. Time to show us the other side of that coin you flip. Dig deep or provide explanation as to why Sheriff Dan is also "not worthy".

Or is TFL truly just another impotent debating society?
Rich
 
Rich, i call like i see them. No "gotcha" envolved.

I have no problems with the way you enforce the rules, your place = you can do as you please.

I rally around good cops everytime i go out in uniform.

Thanks for your reply, and support of good police everywhere.

Charlie.
 
Sheriff Dan's reply to my email thanking him:

Thank you for your thouhgts'. I have been the elected. Sheriff in. Pueblo. County for the last 16 years. I am currently the third. Vice. President of the. National. Sheriffs. Association. I was extremely dismayed by Mr. Savelli comments. We cannot afford to have police in. America articulate violating peoples constitutional rights'. We have a hard enough time earning, and maintaing community respect. Anyway thank you for your comments'. How did you hear about. Savelli comments was there a. National. Story? Sheriff. Dan
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Stand up guy, and a fine example of a PEACE OFFICER.
 
Wildcard

I notice in your profile you are pretty lean on your activity, jobs, life etc..

If you could fill us in on some particulars maybe we can bash your business and associates at every chance we get.

If there are bad cops out there so be it, they are few and far between, better than most professions, proven fact.

So enjoy and while you are at it, why don't you turn in your vocation.

HQ
 
I find that answer to be suspect Larry

Regarding the firing on the spot.

No review, no board of rights hearing for the officer. Hmmmm

We are now at the same location against the officer as the Sgt want's to do to the civilian. Not what I feel is correct by any stretch of the imagination.

What is good for one is now good for the other. In the middle 80's they finally came out with a clear set of rules on officer's rights.

They have been preaching civil rights (civilian) for decades prior to that. Always has been that way. Officers are being fired unjustly right now and it takes years for them to get their day in court. Not good in my way of thinking.

Like the way they are treating the men and women going to fight a war, not giving them their rights also. Pretty sad to say the least.

They (officers) can be put on leave with pay and a hearing is then held to determine if it is OK to fire them. One man making the decision is scary.

How big is this Department? Sounds like we have a Sheriff and a Chief, one city, one county. Someone made the decision to have the Sgt do a lecture, lets investigate that person.:cool:

I'll bet he (ex Sgt Savelli) was applauded when he finished. Politics, hmmm I smell it already.

I like double edged swords, they cut both ways. Yet they are outlawed.

Strange.


HQ
 
I wish to state, that as a Law Enforcement Officer, I in no way support anything that Sgt Savelli said. It actually makes me physically ill.

Harley, an officer being fired on the spot is not at all like the violating of a citizen's civil rights by that officer. One is the loss of a job, one is the loss of rights. Apples and oranges.

If an officer shows the propensity to bend the rules and laws, one should assume that he breaks them as well, when no one is looking. Such an officer should be fired on the spot, there is no need for a hearing, IMO. A store clerk doesn't get a hearing when they are caught pilfering the merchandise. This, my friend, is an apples to apples comparison.
 
I am not a police officer. I am a paramedic, but I do come into contact with a lot of cops on my job, and some are personal friends. This guy Savelli give a black eye to all hardworking, decent cops, IMHO. I also don't know any officer who supports this kind of crap. A cop's job is hard enough, and I have many times seen a good street officeerget criticized for his performance by people who were not even around at the time of the incident. I have also had to bury two friends who got killed in the line of duty. Sherrif Dan sounds like a damn fine LEO, unlike Savelli who sounds like he got out of Himmler's Gestapo, but didn't want to give up his power to abuse people. Just my .02.
 
Liliysdad.

You are wrong, my amigo.

That store clerk gets his day in court, if he is guilty fine. He is booked and fired. Different cup of tea. If not guilty he will again have his day in court.

Officers can not be fired like that simple. New rules in place. The Chief that does that is sticking his or her neck out.

Sworn Officers. Now have some rights also.
I am not sure if you are a Police Officer by the way you talk. Alligations come in daily and everyone of them need to be looked at very carefully.

If they are off probation they have rights, just like the normal citizen. It is handled differently, but it is still handled. While on probation they are fired sometimes, even that has backfired.

They may go back to day one and make that officer pay back the money he has been paid while on mandatory vacation.
But they can not do what you are saying.

Rules are tough, but they are out there, Amigo.

As I explained in another post, 3 officers had there rights trampled in Rampart Division and they were awarded 5 million each.
The city will have to pay it.
Dumb mistake on the part of the people investigating it.

Came down from the Chief. HMMM. I wonder where he is now?

HQ
 
Yes, Ia m a sworn, union dues paying cop. I am fully aware of the fact that there are special rights afforded cops, due to the overwhelming amount fo complaints and accusations made.

However, if you would have actually read what I posted, you would have seen the part "If an officer shows the propensity to bend the rules and laws". This would bear out in an anvestigation. I am not saying that one should be canned for complaints, but for the apparent disregard for the rights of our employers, the citizenry.

I understand that the all powerful police lobby has succesfully campaigned to make it nearly impossible to fire a police officer in today's climate. Just because I understand doesn't mean I like it, or think its right.

Call me idealistic, call me naive, but I feel that we are here to SERVE and PROTECT. We are employed by the common man, criminal and non-criminal, to serve them, and to protect them and their constitutional rights. We are bound by the oath to protect both Joe Upstandingcitizen, and Bill Dirtbag with the same fervor and commitment.

I refuse the "bend the law" to make an arrest. I refuse to "turn a blind eye" to civil rights violations. I also refuse to take part in the "blue wall of silence" when another officer does these things.

If you work a beat with me, I will fight to the death to keep you safe. However, if you think for a minute I would take part in any "rule bending", you are sadly mistaken.
 
"If you work a beat with me, I will fight to the death to keep you safe. However, if you think for a minute I would take part in any "rule bending", you are sadly mistaken". AMEN to that.
 
Hey dude

I did not say bend the rules. You are bending the rules right here and now, not giving the officer the right to a hearing.

As far as working together, total different ball game. You may put the officer on report and make your case later, but you certainly don't have the power to fire him on the spot.

I am sure we would never work together. Your feelings are just not playing by the rules.

You are playing by your opinion,s not by the rules. Give the man who shot and killed a person the benifit of doubt. But not the cop on the beat.

I still think you are not who you purport. If so, why not have it in your profile?:confused:

HQ
 
Its not in my "profile" because I never felt that I had then need to prove who I am. Either take me at face value or don't. Either way is fine with me.
 
I choose not.

Ok by me also.

I am taking you at what you are saying, that is very confusing.

No Cop that I know, would ever say what you are saying, even one just out of the acadamy.
Rules are rules, similar to laws are laws. You want to break a rule/law on a PO, but not on citizen. Sure. I believe you, not...

HQ:rolleyes:
 
Very well.


I never once said the rules should be bent/broken for one side and not the other. Equal treatment is the name of the game, in my opinion. If you will note, I stated that the officer should be fired *IF* the propensity for rule bending is found to be true. I also, very plainly, stated that the officer should not be fired for simple complaints, which happen everyday, if the cop is doing his job.

Should the cop get his day in court? You betcha. However, there is a strong pattern in law enforcement that shows violation after violation swept away, and dealt with by unpaid suspensions, and other ludicorous "punishments."

I take great pride in my integrity when it comes to following the rules, and the laws. The parameters are there for us to follow, and they allow a lot, to be honest. I have never felt the need to bend a law, or break a rule to make an arrest stick.
 
Sorry Harley, but that cashier will not get his/her day in court. I find you coming up short in your register? You're gone. I catch you with unpaid merchandise? You're gone. Get mouthy with a customer? Better have a really, really good reason, or... You're gone. It's just that simple.

Of course, I live in a "right to work" state, where the employee is an at-will employee and therefore has no real rights. YMMV.
 
HQ,

Read this article carefully. If I, or another citizen did this, we would be arrested, then convicted and placed in the Penal Hotel...Where is the DAY IN COURT for these fine officers?

Dothan gun audit prompts call for disciplinary action
6/21/2006, 5:53 p.m. ET
The Associated Press

DOTHAN, Ala. (AP) — Disciplinary action will be recommended for Dothan police because an internal city audit of firearms in the department's evidence room found little care was given to tracking guns, some of which ended up in the hands of officers.

Chief John Powell's recommendations to the City of Dothan Personnel Board will include letters of caution, reprimand and suspension. But Powell said he will not recommend any terminations and that none of the policy violations reveal criminal action.

"We've followed down all the leads we had and have recovered as many guns as I think we are going to," Powell said Tuesday. "I want to commend the officers that returned the weapons."

Powell stressed that the audit goes back many years and that many of the officers involved were not aware of the department's policy or that they were breaking those policies.

The findings of the audit were reported by The Dothan Eagle, which got a copy of the audit Friday through a public records request.

More than 760 firearms were verified as existing in the room and recorded in the department's computer system, but 170 guns listed were not found.

Among the findings: Guns were taken for personal use and guns listed as destroyed were being used by officers; guns assigned to one officer ended up with another; guns reported stolen were never returned to owners but kept by officers; and weapons were "checked out" to city employees in other agencies and even to private citizens.

http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional...st=alabamanews

Now, this is theft, no other way to name it.

"I want to commend the officers that returned the weapons."
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So, you can steal, get caught, get letters of caution, reprimand and suspension, but NO criminal charges...WTF:mad: All because you returned the property that you had no right taking in the first place, and because you are an LEO....BS.
 
Boy Antipitas

Makes me just want to move into a "right to work" State. No wonder everyone is moving there and opening up business's, I can see why.
Those illegals don't stand a chance there.:)

With all the various rules and regulations of CA. I pick it just for the rights that are on both sides.

We have some that smack of to liberal, but what you say is pretty rough also.
I see where that staunch Republican "Arnold the Governor of CA" has just done a big u turn. He now believe's the illegals have right's. And just after most who vote believe that also (big pole done). Politics:barf:

Must be one of those Mom and Pop dictatorships, I have read about, maybe one of the reason's Wall-Mart has to do it different in CA.

Funny how those who work for the State and Government in those "right to work states" still have rights.

HQ
 
Wildcard

You are right, but don't confuse that and try to say I would condone.

That is where you are falling off the log in your post's. You want to rag on the other ones on this board as if there jobs are like a Politican.

You seem to paint all with the same brush.

I would think that, yes some of it was theft. Some of it was ok and some of it was not.

Policy allowed us to have our own checked out shotgun. But you better come up with it when they are looking for it or at a daily rollcall.

I am not sure how they found the ones that were destroyed and not thrown away. I doubt that anyone would bring that particular one back.

Of course you are talking Alabama, explains quite a bit right there. Is that a "right to work" State?

Right to work, as in, you have no rights. Interesting way to coin a phrase.

HQ:rolleyes:
 
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