Scaring Kids a Bad Strategy

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If you wear a gun and start parading and yakking about it in a display mode, it is not unreasonable to think that you are nut. Someone at a kid's game might easily move concealed parents to Condition Orange.

There is the the BOR and being Butt Orifice Rampant.
 
4thPoint said:
... heard he whispered inappropriate things to impressionable youth
I heard he fornicated with a goat and spawned a medusa
I heard he waved his gun about
I heard he was a soulless ginger who burned under the direct light of the sun
I heard he forced parents to call the Sheriff's Office
I heard he forced parents to form a human shield
I heard he forced the local athletic league to cancel games (Although for the last three I'm not not sure if he forced them at gunpoint or not.)...
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Well, I haven't heard those things, except from you, and you're trying to make a point.

What I've heard reported by the news media is:

  • Parents at a Forysth County park abruptly stopped a children's baseball game after growing suspicions of the behavior of a man carrying a gun in a waist holster Tuesday night....
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  • ..."He's just walking around [saying] 'See my gun? Look, I got a gun and there's nothing you can do about it.' He knew he was frightening people. He knew exactly what he was doing," said parent Karen Rabb.....
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  • ...Park users flooded 911 with 22 calls about the man....
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  • ...Authorities said since the man made no verbal threats or gestures, they could neither arrest him nor ask him to leave the park....
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  • ...The director of Georgia Carry, a gun rights and lobbying organization, also questioned what the man was trying to do.

    "There's a right and a wrong way to exercise your right. This is not the right way," said Georgia Carry Executive Director Jerry Henry.....
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If what was reported is true, the guy with the gun exercised lousy judgment and embarrassed responsible gun owners. Do you have some actual evidence that what was reported is not true?
 
Idiots like this guy are best ignored. Calling the police is exactly what he wanted them to do.
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I have to disagree with that. You never know who is and who is not a threat. If someone looked me in the eye, wearing a gun in plain view and repeatedly said "I have a gun, and there's nothing you can do about it" - I take that as a potential threat and would act accordingly. Calling the police was the right thing to do. Maybe the guy was a shill for the Antis; maybe he's just a nut - either way, you can't afford to ignore these things.
 
Frank Ettin said:
If what was reported is true, the guy with the gun exercised lousy judgment and embarrassed responsible gun owners. Do you have some actual evidence that what was reported is not true?
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Well...
We have Jodi Benson who called 911 @ 18:29:56 22Arpil14 and the advised the dispatcher that, "CALLER ADVISED THAT THERE IS A WHITE MALE WITH A GUN IN THE PARK// SUBJECT WAS ARRESTED YESTERDAY // TRANSFERRING TO NON EMERG // LINE 5"
And we know no arrests were made, per the statement of Forsyth County Sheriff Duane Piper.

And we have Paul Clewell who called @ 18:55:08 reporting, "CS ATLANTA HWY / MALE WITH GUN IS AT THE PLAYGROUND/SAYS THE GUN IS TUCKED IN HIS PANTS/ MID 30'SW PER COMPLAINANT THIS SAME MALE TOOK HIS GUN OUT LAST NIGHT AND THREATENED COMPLAINANTS NEIGHBOR/S52"
I'm given to ask, why didn't the neighbor call last night (21st April)?
Pointing a firearm at someone is a serious crime, either OCGA 16-11-02 or 16-5-20 depending upon circumstances.

Essentially what we have is this:

Reports of Serious Crimes
18:55 Paul Clewell reports "CS ATLANTA HWY / MALE WITH GUN IS AT THE PLAYGROUND/SAYS THE GUN IS TUCKED IN HIS PANTS/ MID 30'SW PER COMPLAINANT THIS SAME MALE TOOK HIS GUN OUT LAST NIGHT AND THREATENED COMPLAINANTS NEIGHBOR/S52"​

Reports of Emotional Feelings
22 April
18:48 Matt Haze/Hayes reports that he is uncomfortable. A man is "just wondering around with a gun in his belt."

18:51 Michelle Kirkland reports a man walking around with a gun and is scared. "COMPLAINANT IS SCARED ABOUT THE MALE WALKING AROUND WITH THE GUN // MALE IS NOT THREATENING ANYONE WITH THE WEAPON // COMPLAINANT FEELS THREATENED"​


Reports of a non-criminal, but improper conduct:
22 April
18:27 Jean/Gene (NLN) Reports a man with handgun in pants ("HANDS ON THE GUN NO") "CALLER SAYS HE KEEPS PUTTING HANDS ON THE GUN //CALLER IS RETIRED NYPD// SAYS THERE ARE KIDS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THIS IS WRONG."

18:37 Jason Joseph calls on line 10 "CALLER IS ADVISING THAT HE IS NOT CARR(Y)ING THE GUN PROPERLY // HE IS SCARING THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE."

18:57 Karen Rob reports "MAN BRANDISHING A GUN// HE HAS IT OUT IN HIS HANDS// A BUNCH OF PARENTS HAVE GONE UP THERE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE// THE KIDS ARE HIDING BEHIND DUG OUTS//
n.b. Georgia has no 'brandishing' statute, but pointing a firearm at another without legal justification is a crime (OCGA 16-11-102)

19:05 Faith (NLN) reports a man has a gun in his pocket, doesn't look "normal" and is pulling his shirt up to show the gun.​


Reports alleging no criminal conduct
21 April
18:43 Liz Malone Reports a man lifted his shirt to show her the gun in his waistband. She states that he is 'a little overweight' and didn't look like he was there to exercise.

18:49 Liz Malone Calls back to say she sees him again by the athletic fields and "COMPLAINANT SAYS IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS JUST WALKING AROUND THE PARK"​


22 April
17:44 Jason Joseph reports a man has a gun in his waistband. "CALLER DID NOT WITNESS THE GUN, THIS IS THIRD PARTY INFORMATION."

17:50 Cheryl White reports a white male walking in park with gun in pants and drinking out of a water bottle.

17:56 Cheryl White wants to talk to someone about man with gun.

17:58 Jeff Jones reports a man at Fowler Park with all the soccer fields is holding a bottle of water in his hands and a gun in back of waistband.

18:05 Telly Helms (Head of Forsyth Parks and Recreation.) Wants to speak to S.O. (call went to voice-mail)

18:29 Jodi Benson reports man with gun in park "subject was arrested yesterday", caller transferred to non-emergency line.

18:38 Carla Muller reports armed man with gun going onto the fields where kids are playing.. now he's in the baseball diamonds.

18:41 Terry Joseph calls on line 10 (no specificity listed on report)

18:50 Matt (NLN) reports a man walking with a gun in his belt and wants deputies dispatched, the man is sitting down, down by the main gate.

18:51 David Coon (an athletic team director) reports man walking around with exposed gun. "CALLER DEMANDS TO SPEAK WITH A DEPUTY / PEOPLE ARE SCARED//"

18:52 Justin (NLN) reports a man at the field has a gun and was told to leave by the coaches but comes back.

18:54 Carla (NLN) reports a man is still walking around with a gun and wants a deputy to let the families leave.

18:57 Liz Krupit/Crupet reports a man with a gun walking around Fowler Park.

19:27 Liz Crupet/Krupit reports her friend says they have not seen a cop.
n.b. Names reported as given (spelling not asked by Dispatch)

19:30 Kelly (possibly Telly Helms) with Parks&Recreation reports he has been told by his coaches that a man with gun in pants is at baseball field and was flashing the gun. Caller was not present at park.​
 
Flaunting a gun at most any public event is foolishness. And yes some folks open carry just to flaunt their guns. Take those fancy Bar-B-Que guns folks post pics of here. Their whole purpose is to carry open and flaunt, but still folks accept them. Funny how some accept that form of open carry, but no other.

There are plenty of times and places for OC. There is never a place to flaunt a firearm with the intent to intimidate innocent folks with it. The guy was an azz and not the image most of us responsible gun owners want to portray.
 
Barrylee, I agree. and when given an opportunity I caution others that right is not always proper. and as your actions reflect on the community, to please conduct yourself accordingly.

but some people feel 2+2 = 22 and the wind whistles through their ears
 
Having read or heard various 9-11 calls about a person with a gun - they can clearly be muddled and not in favor of the gun carrier. Thus, common sense suggest that one might rethink your mode of carrier as not to evoke a negative call which paints you as a threat.

Given a call, which might be mistaken or malicious, that you are threatening folk - the police seem sensible in treating you as a threat. You might disagree as you are in the righteous posturing camp. Good for you.
 
Reportedly he said, “Look, I got a gun and there's nothing you can do about it”. Eventually people became so concerned they stopped the game, took the kids to cover and called the police.
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I don't think he did. Notice the word "saying" is in brackets where the woman reported, and that tells me that he did not say it, but was in the opinion of the woman, "saying it WITHOUT saying it," in other words just showing off. If so, he was simply open carrying and there not a damn thing wrong with it.
..."He's just walking around [saying] 'See my gun? Look, I got a gun and there's nothing you can do about it.' He knew he was frightening people. He knew exactly what he was doing," said parent Karen Rabb.....
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If my thought is correct, this is just an anti-gun parent talking to a willing reporter that saw a way to put out anti-gun sentiments by quoting a woman along with taking journalistic license and putting words in the womans mouth. And guess what? It worked, as most of you think he actually said that.
 
Actually, the hysterical part of this entire topic isn't the fact that some idiot made a big deal out of open carrying, it is the rants against open carry.

It's hysterical how the rabid dog 2nd Ammendment supporters NOW want to pick and choose what gun rights are okay and what one's aren't. If it is in fact legal to open carry where someone wants to open carry that is the end of the discussion. Because frankly if you want to tell me that I can't open carry because it makes you uncomfortable, or you don't like it, or you don't like my holster choice, that is a slippery slope my friends. There are plenty of things gun wise that I don't care for or have any interest in, should I then tell you you can't or shouldn't do them? It seems so from what I have seen in this, and my topic that got closed.

We get it, some of you don't like open carry. I hate Glocks, but I won't tell you not to own one, or how to carry it if you do. How about paying those of us, in complete compliance with the law the same courtesy?
 
Advancing a Cause?

If I remember correctly there was a 'gentleman' in the Florida Keys who was advancing a cause by shooting in his backyard. I think it may have even been discussed here. The cause this 'gentleman' was advancing was that there needed to be away to stop people from shooting on their property and doing away with Florida's state preemption was the way to go.
So I see this as doing something legal to show how bas the law can be to get that law changed and that is what I think the person in the OP was attempting. I may be wrong as I wasn't at the game and I'm not a mindreader.
 
And if the guy was shooting in his back yard illegally he should be arrested and charged.

The problem with broadstroking is we don't apply it equally. If one guy has evil intent with a gun all guns should be banned, by that logic because of the instances of drunk driving all cars should be banned.
 
If it is in fact legal to open carry where someone wants to open carry that is the end of the discussion.
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While I understand your position I think the concern is not open carry, but acting appropriately. I wasn’t there and saw this on the news, so that’s all I have to go on. However, according to a local network “The sheriff, as well as the GeorgiaCarry.org group, said they talked to the man, who they say has a permit, and urged him not to flaunt the gun even though he has a legal right to.” So, it seems like the leading Georgia based gun rights group felt he might have crossed the line.

A lot of people in Georgia have worked very hard over the last few years to get the Safe Carry Protection act passed. This bill will restore and clarify a lot of firearms freedoms in Georgia. So, the week the Governor signs the bill this is on the news. Obviously I realize anti-gun types in the media are going to sensationalize everything, so we need to do our best not to give them any ammo. All it takes is one too many high profile incidents and hard fought gains can be easily lost.

I support firearms freedom and I am by means trying to “pick and choose what gun rights are ok”. However, I would politely ask that everyone use a little common sense in how you exercise those rights.

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/cumming/2014/04/24/armed-man-fowler-park/8121285/
 
I can agree with common sense, but that is not what some are saying here. They are saying people that open carry are narcissistic, attention seekers, who are bad for gun rights. I don't believe it, but I could say anyone that owns either an AR-15 or AK-47 is bad for gun rights because the image it projects is of a mass murdering maniac with high capacity magazines.
 
SocialAnarchist said:
I can agree with common sense, but that is not what some are saying here. They are saying people that open carry are narcissistic, attention seekers, who are bad for gun rights. I don't believe it, but I could say anyone that owns either an AR-15 or AK-47 is bad for gun rights because the image it projects is of a mass murdering maniac with high capacity magazines.
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Who has said that?

I, for one, said "guys like him"... and made in very clear in context that I mean people who OC and act like he (reportedly) did.

I doubt he was simply carrying and acting normal. I could buy 1, 2, maybe 3 911 calls if he were, but 22? I don't think so. Several reports that he was touching/handling it, reports that he "said" things about it.

In any case, there hasn't been a single Anti-OC rant in this thread. A few folks think it's poor form to OC ever, that's their right. A few folks think it's a strategic disadvantage, that's their right. A few folks think it's the only way to carry, that's their right.

Most of us though just think there's a wise way/place/time and unwise ways/places/times. That doesn't equate to "broadstroking" or rants.
 
In any case, there hasn't been a single Anti-OC rant in this thread.
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....and in the very next post,

If you really want to be an armed citizen - a responsible armed citizen- CARRY CONCEALED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There is no reason for a rant either way. For many folks, they have a choice of carrying concealed, carrying open or both. Their choice. We as fellow gun owners should respect that choice as long as their choice is legal and they act responsibly. Carrying concealed certainly does not automatically make someone a responsible gun owner just as open carry does not automatically make one irresponsible. CWCers have been known to flaunt/brandish their guns for no reason also. Most folks that open carry do so in the proper scenarios and in a manner that does not draw attention to them. Really no reason for a fellow gun owner to react with the same kneejerk reaction to open carry as the soccer mom anti. Folks want antis to respect their right to carry, but then the same pro gunners can't respect the right of fellow gun owners to legally and responsibly carry open. Sorry....someone explain the difference.
 
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