Safety & muzzleloaders - are we buying bombs?
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FrontierGander
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move on trolls. You go take the $$$$$ that randy hands out to you and go off somewhere and enjoy it.
Deanwise said:
Emphasis is mine.
The above is from your initial post, #175 in sequence from the top of the thread, the one beginning,
One long, long paragraph, not a good advertisement for the University of Tulsa; I'd cite the line number but it will be different on some displays - it's near the bottom, both in terms of location and metaphor.
mykeal:
You are correct on that "sight". It should have been "cite" as it was in the third sentence. But, as I said, I will never say that I don't make typo's or mistakes. That includes grammatical errors. That's what I get for watching TV and playing on the internet at the same time. I may have to start proof reading my web postings.
You are correct on that "sight". It should have been "cite" as it was in the third sentence. But, as I said, I will never say that I don't make typo's or mistakes. That includes grammatical errors. That's what I get for watching TV and playing on the internet at the same time. I may have to start proof reading my web postings.
Gee DrLaw you disappointed me. I thought that you would jump all over that filing something as a friend of the court thing. Now I'm really doubting your credentials. When exactly is it that you can file as amicus curiae? If you keep posting here you may need to buy a a Black's Law Dictionary.
"Wrong, guess again"? On what and why are you suddenly in a hurry? No time for a good debate this morning? Oh, I'll bet that you're probably on the way to the courthouse.
Oh well. Off to work for me as well.
"Wrong, guess again"? On what and why are you suddenly in a hurry? No time for a good debate this morning? Oh, I'll bet that you're probably on the way to the courthouse.
Oh well. Off to work for me as well.
Yes, I was off to a courthouse for a 9:00 AM CST hearing. Now, for more.
I am going to send individual answers to some of the people here, privately.
Obviously, there are some who disagree with me.
Tough. Get used to it, we will not agree.
Deanwise, as you should know if you have legal backgrounds, dismissal with prejudice means dismissal without being able to refile. It DOES NOT ALWAYS, as you stated, mean that there was a settlement. It means that the case is done and over with as to that defendant. Now, being in the law, I know that settlements are often not disclosed publicly due to the amounts of the settlement - one side or the other does not often want that knowledge out.
However, NOTHING in those docket sheets you posted (of the ones I read and mentioned) shows that CVA settled. Where is YOUR proof? You want proof I am a lawyer, guess what, I don't have to provide you proof. Have I said I wanted proof you are actually a licensed private investigator? No. I would not want you to post that information here, in public, in the form that another member here did with an ID card, as that is poor internet security.
If you want to know who and where I am, I left enough clues here on THE FIRING LINE. Somebody apparently cannot read the listing under my name to figure out which state I am in. Be a private dick, find me.
What I take issue with is presenting something as true without the facts (proof) to back it up. That is what your website is doing. Sorry, but that is the bottom line.
You question whether I am a lawyer for not jumping in as a friend of the court, or filing a brief on this. Answer your own question on when you jump in, if you were ever taught. My giving you an answer does not prove anything, as it can be looked up on the web.
Now, some of the others can look forward to receiving something privately from me. As for me, as somebody else put it, I don't have to click on this post. Quite frankly, I have learned a long time ago that one can cry wolf, or one can cry an alarm. One cannot save everybody from either. Those folks that want to believe Dean and Pappy and some others trashing a manufacturer, go ahead.
It's like Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid."
The Doc is out now.
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Dr. Law,
I have read these posts and I myself am not even a good $hit house lawyer.
What bothers me is the perception of what is "Right" being relative to what a jury may decide by listening to the dialog presented to them and the limitations (directions) given to the jury by a judge.
A corporation drags in a large legal team and their job is to disqualify evidence that is damaging to there case. Granted we all want the best representation but the man that had to have a breech plug and plunger removed from the right side of their face is now somehow declared to have been at fault because the facts were ruled inadmissible!
You say to bad that is the law, i say the bay is deep enough for many more!
I have read these posts and I myself am not even a good $hit house lawyer.
What bothers me is the perception of what is "Right" being relative to what a jury may decide by listening to the dialog presented to them and the limitations (directions) given to the jury by a judge.
A corporation drags in a large legal team and their job is to disqualify evidence that is damaging to there case. Granted we all want the best representation but the man that had to have a breech plug and plunger removed from the right side of their face is now somehow declared to have been at fault because the facts were ruled inadmissible!
You say to bad that is the law, i say the bay is deep enough for many more!
olmontanaboy
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Dang!, well I say, them that's for secession get on one side, and thems thats against, get on the other! Oh yeah,,, thems that for, gets the brassers
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DrLaw:
Sorry I don't get to do this every night but, I, like you, work for a living. I travel a lot and will kind of do this message board as a spare time thing. A hobby so to speak. You said "It DOES NOT ALWAYS, as you stated, mean that there was a settlement." I don't think that is what I said. Please re-read my post carefully as I think that what I said was "Dismissal with Prejudice always follows a settlement". This, as you know, since you are an attorney, is true, and is usually ordered by the Court if not already offered and filed timely by the parties. Please review the docket sheets and other documents on cvaguncases.com. EVERY SETTLEMENT ended in a DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE. "My Bad" as they say for asking about your bar license, etc. Most attorneys willingly post this, and more, on their web site advertisements and it oftentimes appears in their court filings. But if you choose not to, so be it. You must just be bashful about such things. My corporate info is a matter of public record on the OK Sect of State web site. In Oklahoma you must be licensed, bonded and subjected to complaints, if any. By the way, CVA has filed none, and there are no lawsuits or attempts to shut my website down? Haven't you wondered why? Libel? Slander? I could not get to the courthouse fast enough to stop such violations! If you are an attorney, as you claim to be, I'll bet that you are one of those nasty defense attorneys that are hired by businesses and corporations like CVA / Dikar. Am I right or wrong? Please tell me that you don't defend against legitimate injured victims and injured worker's and that you don't support "Tort Reform"! Please tell me that it ain't so DrLaw!!
Sorry I don't get to do this every night but, I, like you, work for a living. I travel a lot and will kind of do this message board as a spare time thing. A hobby so to speak. You said "It DOES NOT ALWAYS, as you stated, mean that there was a settlement." I don't think that is what I said. Please re-read my post carefully as I think that what I said was "Dismissal with Prejudice always follows a settlement". This, as you know, since you are an attorney, is true, and is usually ordered by the Court if not already offered and filed timely by the parties. Please review the docket sheets and other documents on cvaguncases.com. EVERY SETTLEMENT ended in a DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE. "My Bad" as they say for asking about your bar license, etc. Most attorneys willingly post this, and more, on their web site advertisements and it oftentimes appears in their court filings. But if you choose not to, so be it. You must just be bashful about such things. My corporate info is a matter of public record on the OK Sect of State web site. In Oklahoma you must be licensed, bonded and subjected to complaints, if any. By the way, CVA has filed none, and there are no lawsuits or attempts to shut my website down? Haven't you wondered why? Libel? Slander? I could not get to the courthouse fast enough to stop such violations! If you are an attorney, as you claim to be, I'll bet that you are one of those nasty defense attorneys that are hired by businesses and corporations like CVA / Dikar. Am I right or wrong? Please tell me that you don't defend against legitimate injured victims and injured worker's and that you don't support "Tort Reform"! Please tell me that it ain't so DrLaw!!
FrontierGander
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Maybe because your website has only had less than 300 hits? 
Okay, Dean, you win. No use arguing. You cannot possibly be biased working for E&S, a Tulsa LLP that advertises that they take cases of dangerous black powder gun injuries. Yep, I am so bashful, my security has nothing to do with it. No doubt about it, I should just surrender to your almighty views.
Lord knows why I went to law school and have been licensed since 1984 in Illinois when I have to be taught by a paralegal all about the law. Silly me. Yep, I am one of those silly defense attornies. I can't say it ain't so. You must have used a 'twitchin' rod there in Tulsa town and devined all that info about me.
So I give up. No more arguing with no facts. No more arguing with lack of evidence. Yep, I'll just go baa like a good sheep you want me to be and slack off into the night.
You win. No more responses from me now. You got it all figured out in your own mind, and how could I ever win against that.
The Doc is out now.
Lord knows why I went to law school and have been licensed since 1984 in Illinois when I have to be taught by a paralegal all about the law. Silly me. Yep, I am one of those silly defense attornies. I can't say it ain't so. You must have used a 'twitchin' rod there in Tulsa town and devined all that info about me.
So I give up. No more arguing with no facts. No more arguing with lack of evidence. Yep, I'll just go baa like a good sheep you want me to be and slack off into the night.
You win. No more responses from me now. You got it all figured out in your own mind, and how could I ever win against that.
The Doc is out now.
I'm still interested in hearing about scientific testing and facts.
What has been discovered about any weaknesses in any CVA guns besides the ones that were recalled?
Why isn't this issue being addressed at all?
If there's some scientific evidence about CVA guns not being fit for their intended purpose then let's hear about it.
If more models of CVA guns are exploding then they must be getting tested. Are they all getting confiscated for the purpose of a cover up before the cases are even filed and go to court?
No independent testing, no analysis, no scientific experts, no gov't. consumer safety involvement, no objective journalist investigations and no documentaries or scientific documention anywhere in whole wide world?
I still haven't seen the regulation banning CVA or Dikar guns from being sold in Europe or heard about why and since when?
Please give us some facts!
Which gun models are on the market that can't at the very least be independently tested to obtain any evidence so that the "facts" about the alleged substandard CVA ticking time bombs can be exposed for the entire world to learn about?
Test, test, testing, testing, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, test, test, test.....is this microphone working?
What has been discovered about any weaknesses in any CVA guns besides the ones that were recalled?
Why isn't this issue being addressed at all?
If there's some scientific evidence about CVA guns not being fit for their intended purpose then let's hear about it.
If more models of CVA guns are exploding then they must be getting tested. Are they all getting confiscated for the purpose of a cover up before the cases are even filed and go to court?
No independent testing, no analysis, no scientific experts, no gov't. consumer safety involvement, no objective journalist investigations and no documentaries or scientific documention anywhere in whole wide world?
I still haven't seen the regulation banning CVA or Dikar guns from being sold in Europe or heard about why and since when?
Please give us some facts!
Which gun models are on the market that can't at the very least be independently tested to obtain any evidence so that the "facts" about the alleged substandard CVA ticking time bombs can be exposed for the entire world to learn about?
Test, test, testing, testing, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, test, test, test.....is this microphone working?
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FrontierGander:
300 hits since the launch 7 days ago isn't bad since I don't have it up on google or other search engines yet. Acceptable to me anyway. And, I received a request last night from an attorney for assistance in a CVA failure case that he has, so it may even become profitable. But anyway, I reset the counter on launch day and I do think that it will start getting more traffic as word gets out. And thanks for visiting by the way.
Now, let me take the high road here and say that I didn't join this forum to bash it's members. So since I fired the first shot questioning DrLaw's credentials I'll apologize for that and try to keep the debates, henceforth, to non personal issues.
I am who I say I am and cvaguncases.com is what I say that it is in my letter on the home page. It does not contain any photoshoped altered photos with the exception of one and that is the closeup of JD Katzenmeier's forehead showing the breech plug thread impressions. I cropped that photo from a full face view and enlarged it for use at the trial of his case. The photo was taken by the surgical team.
My web site contains true and correct copies of the court records and the docket sheets from the Pacer web site and true and correct information about the cases. I can't prove that and wouldn't even try to so you'll just have to make up your own mind about that. All of the documents on the web site can be obtained by anyone from the various court clerks and the Pacer web site. I just put them in a central location and made them available at no charge.
Again, I'll try to keep to the process of debating or exchanging information and stay away from the personal attacks and agree to disagree when necessary. So with that I'm out of here to get some work done.
300 hits since the launch 7 days ago isn't bad since I don't have it up on google or other search engines yet. Acceptable to me anyway. And, I received a request last night from an attorney for assistance in a CVA failure case that he has, so it may even become profitable. But anyway, I reset the counter on launch day and I do think that it will start getting more traffic as word gets out. And thanks for visiting by the way.
Now, let me take the high road here and say that I didn't join this forum to bash it's members. So since I fired the first shot questioning DrLaw's credentials I'll apologize for that and try to keep the debates, henceforth, to non personal issues.
I am who I say I am and cvaguncases.com is what I say that it is in my letter on the home page. It does not contain any photoshoped altered photos with the exception of one and that is the closeup of JD Katzenmeier's forehead showing the breech plug thread impressions. I cropped that photo from a full face view and enlarged it for use at the trial of his case. The photo was taken by the surgical team.
My web site contains true and correct copies of the court records and the docket sheets from the Pacer web site and true and correct information about the cases. I can't prove that and wouldn't even try to so you'll just have to make up your own mind about that. All of the documents on the web site can be obtained by anyone from the various court clerks and the Pacer web site. I just put them in a central location and made them available at no charge.
Again, I'll try to keep to the process of debating or exchanging information and stay away from the personal attacks and agree to disagree when necessary. So with that I'm out of here to get some work done.
FrontierGander
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randy's been posting that website for months now. i remember when a user name and password box would pop up and everyone was asking randy why that was like that.
You are who you say you are - There are no pro's on here and that includes you.
If you want to go on an attack rampage, you need to go after every single muzzle loader company out there.
Colts m-16 was and still is a POS and actually exploded in the hands of those testing them when they were new.... lets not forget how many troops died because of the m16s failures.
the way i see it, if you are just here to run your mouth and tell us stories that have already been solved by the law, i think it would be time for you to throw in the flag and call it quits on here. No one wants to hear yours or randys BS. I actually think you have your hand in the pocket of randy and are his little pet goat.
You are who you say you are - There are no pro's on here and that includes you.
If you want to go on an attack rampage, you need to go after every single muzzle loader company out there.
Colts m-16 was and still is a POS and actually exploded in the hands of those testing them when they were new.... lets not forget how many troops died because of the m16s failures.
the way i see it, if you are just here to run your mouth and tell us stories that have already been solved by the law, i think it would be time for you to throw in the flag and call it quits on here. No one wants to hear yours or randys BS. I actually think you have your hand in the pocket of randy and are his little pet goat.
Frontier:
You say "months". Sorry, but you are, once again, incorrect. The launch was LESS than 1 month ago with the preview page only accessible without passwords. March 22, 2009, to be exact. I sent an email to James Singer, Attorney for BPI,CVA, et al on March 24, 2009, offering a pre public launch preview and opportunity to challenge or dispute content.
You say "months". Sorry, but you are, once again, incorrect. The launch was LESS than 1 month ago with the preview page only accessible without passwords. March 22, 2009, to be exact. I sent an email to James Singer, Attorney for BPI,CVA, et al on March 24, 2009, offering a pre public launch preview and opportunity to challenge or dispute content.
FrontierGander
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go away dean, no one wants you or randy here just running your mouths about recall guns. Shoo before i sick a lawyer on you for boring me with your games.
Go find something to do with your free time.
Go find something to do with your free time.
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