S&W M&P sport 15 ?
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precision_shooter
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Pros: Price, Magpul magazine
Cons: No dust cover(shouldn't be an issue for the majority of the shooting public) No forward assist(again shouldn't be an issue for the majority of the shooting public).
I've taken one apart side by side with a M&P15OR and the bolts/parts are identical. They are a good buy!
Cons: No dust cover(shouldn't be an issue for the majority of the shooting public) No forward assist(again shouldn't be an issue for the majority of the shooting public).
I've taken one apart side by side with a M&P15OR and the bolts/parts are identical. They are a good buy!
Pros:
- It's not a DPMS, Bushmaster, Stag, or RRA...
Cons:
- It's not a Colt, BCM, or DD...
There is a difference between manufacturers. Whether that difference is important depends on what you intend to do with the rifle (safe queen, casual plinking, dependable personal/home defense weapon, must-be-100%-reliable-fighting-weapon, etc.) and your budget.
Smith & Wesson is a generally-reputable manufacturer. However, S&W's notable standard Lifetime Warranty is only a One-Year Warranty for M&P-15's.
I own both a S&W M&P-15 and a Colt 6920. I've have no problems with the M&P-15 in the year I've owned it, but I wouldn't trust my life to it...The Colt I have unquestioning faith in.
Last March I paid $1100 for the M&P-15; Colt SP6920's are now retailing for $1099.
Ultimately, you will have to make your own decision. There's a ton of info out there that can help you. Do yourself a favor and research it yourself...
Best of luck,
~Dan
- It's not a DPMS, Bushmaster, Stag, or RRA...
Cons:
- It's not a Colt, BCM, or DD...
There is a difference between manufacturers. Whether that difference is important depends on what you intend to do with the rifle (safe queen, casual plinking, dependable personal/home defense weapon, must-be-100%-reliable-fighting-weapon, etc.) and your budget.
Smith & Wesson is a generally-reputable manufacturer. However, S&W's notable standard Lifetime Warranty is only a One-Year Warranty for M&P-15's.
I own both a S&W M&P-15 and a Colt 6920. I've have no problems with the M&P-15 in the year I've owned it, but I wouldn't trust my life to it...The Colt I have unquestioning faith in.
Last March I paid $1100 for the M&P-15; Colt SP6920's are now retailing for $1099.
Ultimately, you will have to make your own decision. There's a ton of info out there that can help you. Do yourself a favor and research it yourself...
Best of luck,
~Dan
Hardly, all of them except the DPMS are superior in quality to the S&W. Just look at the specs and it should jump right out at you. This forum is a terrible place to ask for an opinion on an AR. Most people just don't bother doing any research and repeat what they have heard others say whether it is correct or not. Pick out any brands you are interested in and look at the specs compared to the other brands. If you look at this web page, it will give you a pretty good idea of what to look for in an AR:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&single=true&gid=5&output=html
Marquezj16
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Pros - Inexpensive, accurate, reliable (mine has not had a hiccup)
Cons - People will hate on your rifle because it's not Milspec and only cost half of what they paid
Seriously - The Sport is a great AR for people who do not want to spend $1000+ on a new rifle. So what if the specs says it's not up to military standards, what matters is that it shoots when you pull the trigger and hits your intended target. Will it ever see action in Afghanistan? Will you ever swim underwater with it? Or jump out of an airplane into hostile territory?
Do you see where I'm getting at here? There is a reason why Colt cost more. They have to be able to do those things. And I am not talking about the Colt 6920 on this.
Btw, the cleaning kit and the surefire light that was on my issue M4 cost more than my personal Sport.
Cons - People will hate on your rifle because it's not Milspec and only cost half of what they paid
Seriously - The Sport is a great AR for people who do not want to spend $1000+ on a new rifle. So what if the specs says it's not up to military standards, what matters is that it shoots when you pull the trigger and hits your intended target. Will it ever see action in Afghanistan? Will you ever swim underwater with it? Or jump out of an airplane into hostile territory?
Do you see where I'm getting at here? There is a reason why Colt cost more. They have to be able to do those things. And I am not talking about the Colt 6920 on this.
Btw, the cleaning kit and the surefire light that was on my issue M4 cost more than my personal Sport.
Mrgunsngear
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Pros: Smith & Wesson 5R rifling, low cost, great customer service, accurate rifle
Cons: very gritty trigger (easliy solved by polishing contact points), heavy trigger (again, easily resolved for a $9 set of springs on Brownells...), no dust cover, no forward assist. Also, you can't design the rifle to your specs like you could for the same amount of money if you bought it in parts.
For instance, I wanted a basic mid length gas system (sport is carbine length gas system which will give you more perceived recoil), chrome barrel/chamber, and a magpul grip and handguard. The rifle below was based on PSA parts for $620 with shipping.
Obviously, the strikefire was extra
You won't go wrong with the Sport however. It's a great little rifle.
Cons: very gritty trigger (easliy solved by polishing contact points), heavy trigger (again, easily resolved for a $9 set of springs on Brownells...), no dust cover, no forward assist. Also, you can't design the rifle to your specs like you could for the same amount of money if you bought it in parts.
For instance, I wanted a basic mid length gas system (sport is carbine length gas system which will give you more perceived recoil), chrome barrel/chamber, and a magpul grip and handguard. The rifle below was based on PSA parts for $620 with shipping.
Obviously, the strikefire was extra
You won't go wrong with the Sport however. It's a great little rifle.
Pro: inexpensive AR that probably statisfies 95+ percent of the needs of its owners who intend to use it for casual plinking, target shooting. Excellent customer service.
Cons: if you are like many AR users you will eventually want to customize it with aftermarket buttstock, triggers, grips, handguards, etc.
If you know which features you may want, it may be cheaper in the long run to buy an stripped AR lower receiver and assemble an AR lower yourself with quality aftermarket trigger upgrade, buttstock, grip of choice and buy an fully assembled upper receiver of good quality.
Assembling a lower AR receiver group requires only a few punches and a hammer and a complete noob like me built one in a few hours. The directions are on the AR15.com forum.
Assembling the upper receiver group requires special tools, gun vises, headspace guages and is not a task suitable for the casual gun owner.
Google "Larry Vickers" a retired special forces soldier and now firearms trainer, TV personality for his personal recommendations on AR upgrades
Adjustable aftermarket carbine buttstocks that don't wobble like the milspec:
Magul MOE or CTR
Vltor Emod or IMod
Triggers:
Rock river 2 stage trigger-5lb trigger pull for under $100 if you shop around vs the 9lb milspec single stage trigger
Grip:
Tango Down
Magpul Moe
Magpul MIAD
Hogue
Plain jane AR's are so boring!
Cons: if you are like many AR users you will eventually want to customize it with aftermarket buttstock, triggers, grips, handguards, etc.
If you know which features you may want, it may be cheaper in the long run to buy an stripped AR lower receiver and assemble an AR lower yourself with quality aftermarket trigger upgrade, buttstock, grip of choice and buy an fully assembled upper receiver of good quality.
Assembling a lower AR receiver group requires only a few punches and a hammer and a complete noob like me built one in a few hours. The directions are on the AR15.com forum.
Assembling the upper receiver group requires special tools, gun vises, headspace guages and is not a task suitable for the casual gun owner.
Google "Larry Vickers" a retired special forces soldier and now firearms trainer, TV personality for his personal recommendations on AR upgrades
Adjustable aftermarket carbine buttstocks that don't wobble like the milspec:
Magul MOE or CTR
Vltor Emod or IMod
Triggers:
Rock river 2 stage trigger-5lb trigger pull for under $100 if you shop around vs the 9lb milspec single stage trigger
Grip:
Tango Down
Magpul Moe
Magpul MIAD
Hogue
Plain jane AR's are so boring!
Marquezj16
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You still need a gun vise and headspace guages to insure you don't blow yourself up. A vise can come in handy for other gun projects in the future.
Headspace guages and barrel wrenches are only useful for assembling multiple guns and I don't see the economy if you only want one AR.
Only one AR...what am I saying, that is sacrilege!
Headspace guages and barrel wrenches are only useful for assembling multiple guns and I don't see the economy if you only want one AR.
Only one AR...what am I saying, that is sacrilege!
Again, no not really. If you buy a barrel and bolt set, the headspacing has already been done. That is the whole purpose of buying the matched set and besides, even if you mixed and matched bolt and barrel you aren't likely to "blow yourself up". There is just not that much difference from one bolt to the next, you put the barrel in, torque the barrel nut and most likely you could install whatever bolt you want, as long as it is the right caliber and the bolt closes on a chambered round. You will need a regular bench vise, a holding jig for the upper receiver and an armorers wrench for the barrel nut, all of which can be had for around $60 or so, providing you have a vise that is.
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globalsmack
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The salt bath barrel is actually a nice touch on the sporter. Most will cry that its not chrome lined but the process is actually better.
Why does everyone think that MIL-SPEC is the best quality you can buy? Its not, it is a bare minimum to meet a government contract. Why do they think the infamous "chart" is an AR bible???? (they guy who wrote it is an architect who got into guns while working in an army surplus store while attending college; he is not a memeber of the military, LE, or a veteran of either). Even the ones who profess intimate knowledge are really just repeating industry dogma. If you really want to know how to put an AR together, go find a company that build customs and see if they put on instructional clinics; many do and you will learn alot. The M&P sport is getting good reviews and seems to be an excellent entry level AR15.......its not intended to be a Military issue M4 so why expect it to be......its a fun gun and if money wasn't so tight, I would be playing with one now.
Slappy - there is no place to install them on the Sport model.
Sorry, my mistake!
I should have been more specific in that other models with these accessories wouldn't cost that much more. Some cost even less, like the DPMS Oracle being sold by SAA for $579.00
http://www.surplusammo.com/dpms-panther-5-56-nato-oracle-new-in-box/
Sorry, my mistake!
I should have been more specific in that other models with these accessories wouldn't cost that much more. Some cost even less, like the DPMS Oracle being sold by SAA for $579.00
http://www.surplusammo.com/dpms-panther-5-56-nato-oracle-new-in-box/
I'll let you know. I just bought one and got home to discover it has the aweful CA compliant mag release. Didn't notice when I bought it and for the life of me I can't figure out why a gun shop in Maine would have a CA compliant gun in the first place. I working on getting it removed and replaced before I shoot it. Easier said then done.
Noreaster...
If it is a Bullet Button, t can be replaced in a matter of minutes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCQhASbaV0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpztrlZwIc4
If it is a Bullet Button, t can be replaced in a matter of minutes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCQhASbaV0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpztrlZwIc4
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