S&W M&P 9mm trigger bashing exggarated??

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nodule

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Hi,

I was in a gun shop this afternoon and got to handle a current S&W M&P 9mm.
Are the current 2015 revised with a better trigger? Was the whole trigger bashing I read all over the place grossly exaggerated?

I loved the look and the feel but am curious about the quality of the current
production M&P triggers? Is it no longer an issue with current production?

Thanks!
 
My 2008-2009 era police trade in M&P 40 fullsize has a truly dreadful trigger. Like a bowl of watery oatmeal.

My friend's 2012 era M&P 40 fullsize has a bad trigger but MUCH better.

I imagine they have continued to improve. I still think the Glock's trigger is significantly better. I know a lot of people who REALLY like the M&P platform but the Apex trigger in it, but I'm not willing to drop another $150 on mods for a gun that's $450-500 to begin with. When you're at the $600-700 range of investment the M&P makes less sense with other options in that price range.

That said, if the pistol REALLY worked for me I'd be happy to spend the money on a trigger. You might also do some research into the fact that M&P 9 Fullsize has had troublingly persistent reports of accuracy problems, enough so that Smith & Wesson has directly addressed it a few times.

I really like the M&P platform as an idea, but when it comes time to plunk down money I just never quite get there (except for my screaming good deal trade-in).
 
They are dramatically better than they were originally. The current production are good enough for me to not get APEX parts
 
ok

Great, well thats good to know! I am new to shooting, so I really dont know
what to look or feel for in a trigger. I was just going by all the internet bashing
I have read about how awful the trigger is. But I guess that applies to older production M&P's.

So far, I REALLY like the look and feel of the FN FNS-9 and the M&P.
 
Of the two I'd go with the M&P, even with possible trigger and accuracy question marks. A lot more aftermarket support and Smith is pretty good about backing up their products.
 
I'm no trigger snob so to me, yes it is greatly exaggerated.

I have owned several Glocks and M&Ps, and have never had a problem with either brand when it comes to pulling the trigger and hitting what I'm aiming at.

I think some people just try to impress others with all their gun "knowledge".
 
When thousands of people, including lauded shooters and gun writers, have an impression of a firearm, it's generally not made up out of whole cloth to show off. It's not snobbery if it's verifiable truth. Some guns have objectively easier to learn triggers than others, and early M&P triggers were bad triggers.
 
My 2010 M&P compact had a good trigger out of the box. My 2010 M&P full size had a horrid trigger. But otherwise I liked it a lot because the mechanics worked very well, and the shape of the grip fit my hand much better than Glock and other makers, so I searched for a fix. I installed the Apex kit and it instantly became a superb pistol with the best trigger I've ever pulled.
 
but I'm not willing to drop another $150 on mods for a gun that's $450-500 to begin with. When you're at the $600-700 range of investment the M&P makes less sense with other options in that price range.
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You can find them on gunbuyer.com for $400, shipping included.

early M&P triggers were bad triggers.
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There was almost no perceptible reset on the first models.
 
Yes.

And you've got two great pistols in your sights there. I have two M&Ps and one FNS. None of them have ever failed me while using multiple different types of ammo.
 
TunnelRat said:
You can find them on gunbuyer.com for $400, shipping included.
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I get the QP rate on Bud's which has them new with night sights for $400-450. I must confess that I've been very tempted. If the triggers have really improved that much in 6-7 years it might be time to grab another caliber.
 
I have both the FNS 9 and a M&P 9 full size. I shoot the FNS in IDPA and the wife shoots the M&P in IDPA. Both are excellent guns. The FNS has the better factory trigger. I replaced the M&P's trigger with an Apex polymer trigger (no kit, just the trigger). I did the same to my M&P 45. We just didn't care for the shape of the stock trigger.
 
If you look at the evolution of M&P triggers you see that they have definitely improved. So the triggers on some earlier models were not the greatest, and once you get that label it is hard to shake.

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The newer models have upgraded sears and other parts of the trigger system have been also been upgraded. You can see the newest sears are very similar to the aftermarket upgrades. So, the new M&P triggers are much improved right out of the box.

So do you need the Apex trigger upgrade on the newer guns? No. Will the Apex trigger improve the stock trigger on even the newer guns? Yes. I just put the Apex Carry Kit with the aluminum trigger on my Shield, and it is a definite improvement. This kit completely smooths out the pull and cleans the break. It also reduces pull weight by a couple of pounds. Is this kit worth $130 - $150? Probably not if you are shooting only occasionally. Maybe if you put lots of range rounds through it.

Once you shoot a gun with a really great trigger, it is hard to go back. I'm one of those guys, so the only handguns that I haven't messed with the stock trigger on is my Walther PPQ and my Dan Wesson Valor.
 
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glockers like to cry...pay no attention to their crying, most won't even admit there are other manufactures of firearms, much less buy another brand.


I always get a kick out of striker fired guys whining about striker fired triggers.



Wonder what glockboys do for rifles and shotguns???
 
New M&Ps are much better than the older ones.

My 2013 made M&P had a bad trigger, but some mid 2015 production versions I have picked up felt nice.

The late year 2014 M&P I bought, had a decent trigger in it.


The current M&P trigger is a decent/good trigger. The current Pro series triggers are good to very good.

An Apex trigger (I have the FSS with poly trigger kit) is an excellent trigger.


I am not a fan of the hinged trigger in the M&P... While I changed the entire trigger on my first M&P with Apex parts, on the second (2014) I just polished up the parts, and replaced the hinged trigger with an Apex replacement. (poly version, I think it was $30 or so) Its a very good trigger now, and suitable for carry. (its the compact version)

On the new M&Ps, I could live with them as is, but a polish job would not hurt. Maybe replace the hinged trigger... but the Pro is good enough that I could just polish and leave the trigger be. (but I probably wouldn't :D )


Being new to shooting, if you want a good reference on what a good trigger is.

Ask to see one of the nicer 1911s in the case, and try that trigger. (anything over $1500 will have a very good trigger at the minimum) A good 1911 trigger is considered by many to be the best pistol trigger available.


But a 1911 trigger is very different from a striker trigger... So ask to see a Sig 320, an HK VP9, or a Walther PPQ. as they have very good striker triggers. (or see all three if you can, as they all have good, but different triggers) That can be a base line for a good to very good trigger feel.
 
nodule said:
Was the whole trigger bashing I read all over the place grossly exaggerated?
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Bluntly, a lot of people wanted the Glock trigger they were accustomed to and the ergonomics of the M&P frame. S&W has worked to improve the M&P's trigger while Glock introduced the Gen4 models to improved the ergonomics of Glocks.

Depending on what an individual wanted or expected, complaints about the M&P trigger were either grossly exaggerated or right on the mark. Common complaints about the original M&P trigger were: too much take-up and over-travel (improved by a reshaped sear); an indistinct reset (improved by a parts redesign), and; an often gritty pull. Grittiness continues to be a frequent complaint about the M&P trigger and the most common cause seems to be rough surfaces on the trigger bar where it engages the firing pin blocker and sear; that roughness works out with use or easy polishing.
 
yes.

Thanks for all your thoughts, everyone! After much on-line research and watching dozens of professional HD You Tube reviews, I think I may have narrowed my choices down to either a new M&P 9mm, the FNH FNS-9 or the
HK VP9. The M&P 9mm Range and Carry Kit option is very appealing. The kit comes with 3 15 round magazines...perfect for me in NJ!

I know it sounds silly, but looks are very important to me, than feel in hand,
than trigger. I am very intrigued by the Walther PPQ M2, but something about
it is just so goofy looking. I really dont care for the look of the grips on both the PPQ and the VP9, however, the VP9 is better looking than the PPQ, in my opinion of course...its all highly subjective, I know!

I have eliminated the Springfield Armory X9 and probably the Glocks, but the
Glock 17 just seems to keep coming back to me for some reason.

Remember also guys, I am a lefty and in NJ...so 15 round max for me.
 
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