I just decided to donate all proceeds from the sale of these decals to Ron Pauls campaign.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248082
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248082
"A point that can not not be argued with"
Those comments make you an easy target.
Anyway, moving past the "I'm just a flag waving American" (musical notes), Stage2, if you really think that, why do you think he got second place in approval as to who won the debate? Right below Romney and well above "america's Mayor"
Because all of the liberal blogs encouraged people to call in and vote for Paul. Its really that simple
what polls are they that you are talking about that register him as 2%? Were they prior to last night? He is the only one up there with a voice that stands out from all the others, and like he said, there is a reason Republicans lost the vote last year, because they aren't conservative anymore
In the 40's we used atomic weapons on a country for attacking Pearl Harbor
and killed hundreds of thousands of people to stop a similiarly fervant people.
The 9/11 attacks were the fault of the US government, yes.Mr. Paul states that the 9/11 attacks were our fault!
Far more than 3000 innocent people have been killed due to US foreign policy. When our government kills thousands upon thousands of innocent people, it can be expected that people will hate us and want to retaliate. However, that does not excuse the terrorists' attacks on random American civilians.We were attacked on our soil and 3000 People of all races and reglions were killed.
The terrorists were not soldiers or hereos they were pathetic cowards who killed innocent souls in support of a perverted view of Jihad Wahobism of Islam.
Ron Paul agreed that the US had to retaliate against terrorists who committed such acts, but the Iraqis themselves had nothing to do with 9/11.In no way is that justifable, understandable. it is an act of war.
That was itself an act of terrorism. Deliberately killing civilians is always terrorism, whether the US does it or someone else. The ends don't justify the means.In the 40's we used atomic weapons on a country for attacking Pearl Harbor and killed hundreds of thousands of people to stop a similiarly fervant people.
A danger to freedom? How?The man no only is not credible but a danger to freedom.
And yet most Republicans want to do exactly that, with national ID cards, warrantless wiretaps, etc. Much of Bush's domestic policy has revolved around the notion of trading liberty for security.They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759)
By the way, the 9/11 attackers were evil, but they were anything but cowards.
By the way, the 9/11 attackers were evil, but they were anything but cowards. It's never cowardly to willingly go on a mission from which you know you won't return. It may feel good to call them cowards, but it's not true.
Thunderhawk88 said:Really? Who else besides themselves had weapons on the aircraft they hijacked? They attacked unarmed, unprepared civilians. Pretty courageous, huh? Oh yeah, but they certain faced death. Hells bells, they wanted death, to collect the rewards they were promised Yeah, you're right, there weren't cowards........
You guys are entitled to your opinions, but I disagree. Willingly facing death, even if for an evil purpose, is the absolute opposite of cowardice. Note, however, that I did not claim that the hijackers were "warriors." They were terrorists. What they did was about as courageous as the US nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.STAGE 2 said:Warriors fight on the open field. Warriors attack only those that take up arms against them. Cowards target the weak and the frail. Cowards shoot in the back rather than fight from the front. Going on a suicide mission and being a coward aren't mutually exclusive, These people ARE cowards.
So you think the US government can do no wrong and should never be blamed for anything? And you equate the American government with America?Dust Monkey said:Wow, For a minute there I thought this was DU, with all the Blame America First crowd. I heard mention of Pearl Harbor, did someone blame America or Bush for that one as well.
No, he did not. He said that American foreign policy was to blame. America is not equivalent to its government. If it is, then watch out if a Democrat gets elected, because every time you disagree with the Democratic president you will be acting "unpatriotic" and "unAmerican."Look, Paul will not go anywhere. He, for all intents and purposes said that America is to blame for what happened on 9/11. That is a no no, bad ju ju.
They reacted like a herd of bleating sheep.Look how the crowd reacted to what Rudy shot back.
No, I judge for myself without looking to see what the majority is doing. The majority isn't always right, and frequently the majority are extremely gullible, as when most Americans were suckered into invading Iraq in the first place because of "Saddam's WMDs." However, I have heard that Ron Paul did very well in the polls after the debate, so maybe there's a ray of hope.That should be your meter to judge by.
Osama bin Laden himself stated that the reasons for 9/11 were (1) US military presence in Arabian lands, (2) Iraq sanctions (which killed many thousands of innocent Iraqis), and (3) uncritical US support for Israel. These were the reasons he gave, and they all relate to foreign policy.I was a fan of Ron Paul, not anymore. Our policy abroad is not "inviting" Terrorism. Just like owning a GUN does not "invite" a killing.
No one's blaming America -- only its government. The same government that brought you the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, Waco, and Ruby Ridge; the same government that propped up brutal dictators like Pinochet; the same government that lies to its citizens and has considered staging false terrorist attacks in the past (even to the point of killing innocent people) in order to gain public support for a war:Geez, the blame America crowd used to be screaming, far left wingnuts.
If the US had carried out this plan and people were angered by it, would that make them "America-hating leftists"?Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to enact acts of terrorism and violence on US soil or against US interests, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro. As part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative, the plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.
Osama Bin Laden said:(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
a) You attacked us in Palestine:
(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.
(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.
(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.
(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.
(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;
(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.
(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.
(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.
(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.
(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.
(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.
(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.
(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.
(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.
(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!
(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:
(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.
(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.
(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.
(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.
(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.
(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.