Road Rage Today. What would you do?
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Dragunov54
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Your state is?
Yes of course, but I am not an LEO. The use of deadly force and presenting a firearm dictates different for honest citizens. I am not performing felony warrants or apprehending felons on a daily basis. Texas law dictates honest citizens don't have to articulate under the same reasons as an LEO in the use of deadly force.
CPTMurdoc30
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Elephant_Man said:eh.
1. Apply brass knuckles to the hand
2. Roll down window
3. Leave 4 dents in road ragers forehead
4. Drive away
I vote for that one or the Trunk Monkey. Either way I am free and clear.
Here is all I have to say. I see this kind of driving almost every day. I drive exactly 16.2 miles from my front door to my college parking lot. I get cut off and almost hit at-least 18 times each day I drive. Me personally I would have speed up a little just as Dodge driver is making his move to cut me off and then once the smoke settles I start screaming I CAN'T FEEL MY LEGS. or OH MY NECK HURTS. Most of the time I just slow down a little and let the idiots do what they want and let them go.
I knew I should have opened up a collision repair shop here I would be stinking rich driving a nice Bentley by now.
If either was driving a Chevy this would have never happened. Onstar is great got a nifty little red emergency button so they can give exact location to police as I tell them some 280# man with a beat red face is screaming at me because he just rammed my car and now I CAN'T FEEL MY LEGS.
Something very similar just happened to my wife. She was turning on to a street from our street making a left hand turn. 300# moron in GMC Yukon pulled out in front of her from a parking lot, she honks, he slams on breaks causing my wife to strike the driver side of his rear bumper. GMC Driver gets out of car and starts screaming at wife calling her a few names that no women should ever be called. She had forgotten her cell phone and driver fled scene of accident. She stated to police that she was scared for her life. Cops took tag number found driver 5 minutes later and explained to him that what he did could have ended badly and that he was lucky she was not injured in any way shape or form or else he would spend a few days in the slammer. Oh well He is now being sued for $1000 by the insurance company. What could have cost him nothing is now going to cost him $1000 or more. Jokes on him.
When in doubt let them hit you. Then Sue the crap out of them. I have just come to the realization that anyone can get a drivers license these days. In VA can't speak English no biggie fill out this and here is your DL have a nice day. Failed drivers training no biggie fill out this form and here is your DL. Have no clue what a car is no biggie fill out this form and here is your DL.
I live in Oregon. We might not be quite as gun-friendly as Texas, but overall it's a good place to live and own/carry a handgun.
The State of Oregon legislature is the only body permitted by our Constitution to pass any law/ordinance regulating firearms in any way. These keeps the liberal pockets from enacting the restrictions they keep trying.
There are very few places you cannot carry concealed in Oregon, and open carry is also permitted in most places, without a permit. For concealed carry, really the only places you cannot carry is:
- Correction facilities and mental hospitals
- Courthouses
- Federal property (post offices, airports, National Parks)
- Indian reservations, unless the tribe gives you permission.
In my state, you do not have an obligation to retreat, and if you're a bad guy in my house, you'd better run fast, because I'm not obligated to warn you before I shoot!
Let's hope that never happens.Correct.
Careful with this, it's not like the movies. The CHL holder I mentioned above ended up with permanent hearing loss as a result of his beating.
For what it's worth, most states have their statutes online and you can search them yourself if you're interested. Back before there were CHL classes to cover this material, I had to read the penal code on my own to figure out what was legal in terms of the use of force & deadly force in self-defense. It's not as simple as looking up a word in the dictionary, but it's not impossibly difficult either.
Wildalaska
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And if he hadn't , would he have been able to demonstrate the imposition of deadly physical force upon him justifying the use of deadly physical force?
WilditsallevidentiaryAlaska TM
It's hard to say. It certainly didn't hurt his case any.
It also didn't hurt his case that the attacker was very large and he was very small. Nor that the attacker began beating him over a very minor accident (external rearview mirrors made contact). The facts that the CHL holder was tangled in his seatbelt and could not get loose and that the traffic didn't allow him to drive off were also helpful. And, according to one person who followed the case very closely, the "Born to Kill" tattoo on the attacker's arm made quite an impression on the jury as well.
Spade Cooley
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And the most important item of all is what you say when the confrontation is over. Make up a good story. You don't have to tell the truth because chances are the other guy won't. When no one sees what happened you can make up a story to suit your actions. "The guy was obviously reaching for a weapon so I drew mine", etc. "I thought my life was in danger when he threatened me with that tire tool". "He said he was going to rip my head off". Be careful what you say when the situation is over and consult an attorney if in doubt. Be as smart as the bad boys are.
huskylover
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Reading the responses in these types of threads concern me sometimes,especially considering the forums are read by anti-gun/CCW people as well I'm sure.The bottom line is thoroughly know the Laws in your State,for exposing your firearm as well as actually using it in self-defense.
No matter what your States Laws are in regarding these types of road rage scenerios or other "what if" situations.I would hope all of us would do are best to defuse,escape, exhaust all means without putting yourself in jeopardy before employing your firearm as a visual deterrent or firing it in self-defense.No matter what our Laws say,I believe we owe it to ourselves as mature,responsible,civilized human beings/gun owners to do our best to use our firearms as a last resort.All ya,watch your six and be safe out there.
No matter what your States Laws are in regarding these types of road rage scenerios or other "what if" situations.I would hope all of us would do are best to defuse,escape, exhaust all means without putting yourself in jeopardy before employing your firearm as a visual deterrent or firing it in self-defense.No matter what our Laws say,I believe we owe it to ourselves as mature,responsible,civilized human beings/gun owners to do our best to use our firearms as a last resort.All ya,watch your six and be safe out there.
huskylover
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Spade; You've lost your damn mind.Not something a good citizen or responsible gun owner should be stating,especially publically on a forum.It's also a good way to spend alot of years in prison if the investigation reveals holes in your "story" Ya guy's really need to get your stuff in check before hitting the "submit reply" button.
That's very good advice, huskylover.
I would hate to see one of in a situation where we've been forced to protect ourselves, only to have a prosecutor or BG's attorney pull up a post from this forum that makes it look like we are trigger-happy and looking for a chance to blow someone away.
In my opinion, using my handgun for protection is an absolute LAST resort. I will always try to escape from an attacker if possible.
I run scenarios through my head all the time, and I'm sure the rest of you do, as well. Things like: "If I'm at the grocery store, and I hear a gun fire inside the store, what do I do? The answer depends on whether I'm alone or if my family/friends are with me. Are they beside me, or somewhere else in the store?" I make a note of where emergency exits are in every building I enter. This isn't just because I fear an attacker, but mostly because I want to know how to get out if there is a fire or earthquake. Mostly, though, I think it's because I am always aware of my surroundings.
I would hate to see one of in a situation where we've been forced to protect ourselves, only to have a prosecutor or BG's attorney pull up a post from this forum that makes it look like we are trigger-happy and looking for a chance to blow someone away.
In my opinion, using my handgun for protection is an absolute LAST resort. I will always try to escape from an attacker if possible.
I run scenarios through my head all the time, and I'm sure the rest of you do, as well. Things like: "If I'm at the grocery store, and I hear a gun fire inside the store, what do I do? The answer depends on whether I'm alone or if my family/friends are with me. Are they beside me, or somewhere else in the store?" I make a note of where emergency exits are in every building I enter. This isn't just because I fear an attacker, but mostly because I want to know how to get out if there is a fire or earthquake. Mostly, though, I think it's because I am always aware of my surroundings.
Spade Cooley
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Gentlemen,
It's simply a matter of survival. If you made a mistake in defending yourself against some bad boy that would do you harm, do you want to survive? Or would you rather have some civil rights attorney raking you over the coals? Do you think the bad guy would lie and make the case more favorable to himself? I'm giving you the facts of life on the street and you can go ahead and be honest Abe if you like. It might make you feel better about things as they take your savings in a lawsuit or put you behind bars. At least you will have the honor of saying you were honest.
It's simply a matter of survival. If you made a mistake in defending yourself against some bad boy that would do you harm, do you want to survive? Or would you rather have some civil rights attorney raking you over the coals? Do you think the bad guy would lie and make the case more favorable to himself? I'm giving you the facts of life on the street and you can go ahead and be honest Abe if you like. It might make you feel better about things as they take your savings in a lawsuit or put you behind bars. At least you will have the honor of saying you were honest.
Mannlicher
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I don't see why the guy in the small car did not just roll up his window, and back up, drive away. Shooting other folks is usally not the answer.
Ok, I'm not going to address the possible issues with legality and just deal with it from a logical standpoint.
Better to stick to the facts. The state of forensics, the profusion of video cameras & cell phone cameras, and other factors make it very likely you'll get caught in a lie. If you are, it will hurt your case tremendously.
You're better off keeping your mouth shut and talking to a lawyer if you think the facts aren't going to help your case. Lying about it is not a good option, especially if you get caught.
Sorry Bob,
Arrest records are public information---if the family gets a lawyer, he'll have the name in about 2.5 seconds----police can't with hold the info ---in any jurisdiction--for any reason.
There must have been a little more to the story than what your saying--about the rager.
Anyone is free to think what they like, roll the dice, whatever.
I have been to court a time or two--some one punches you in the mouth cause they think you jumped line at the movies or your favorite taco stand and you shoot them, you're in a world of hurt.
Dipper
Arrest records are public information---if the family gets a lawyer, he'll have the name in about 2.5 seconds----police can't with hold the info ---in any jurisdiction--for any reason.
There must have been a little more to the story than what your saying--about the rager.
Anyone is free to think what they like, roll the dice, whatever.
I have been to court a time or two--some one punches you in the mouth cause they think you jumped line at the movies or your favorite taco stand and you shoot them, you're in a world of hurt.
Dipper
Dipper,
I am not sure what the whole story is, but the police will not release the name. It may have been because of the threat of retaliation.
The incident happened in 2001.
I remember reading about two years ago the family was complaining because they could not find out the name of the guy who shot their loved one who was turning his life around and was a good boy. At the time they blamed the police and the prosecutors for not releasing the info.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2446
bob
I am not sure what the whole story is, but the police will not release the name. It may have been because of the threat of retaliation.
The incident happened in 2001.
I remember reading about two years ago the family was complaining because they could not find out the name of the guy who shot their loved one who was turning his life around and was a good boy. At the time they blamed the police and the prosecutors for not releasing the info.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2446
bob
Spade Cooley
Moderator
The fact is most of us are rank amateurs when it comes to confrontations with Bad Guys. All I'm saying is, survival is the most important thing. You might have to fight dirty in order to survive.
None of us wants to take a life or shoot someone. If you do, be ready to be attacked by law enforcement, the courts and Civil Liberties attornies. It might be time to keep your mouth shut and consult a professional. If they can get a murderer off in our failed court system, anything can happen. They do it all the time. You could end up going up the river for defending yourself.
Note the border patrol officers who shot at drug smugglers. They are in the Pen. If they got their stories together and consulted with an attorney they would have fared better.
Learn to play the game and make it work for you like it works to protect crooks.
None of us wants to take a life or shoot someone. If you do, be ready to be attacked by law enforcement, the courts and Civil Liberties attornies. It might be time to keep your mouth shut and consult a professional. If they can get a murderer off in our failed court system, anything can happen. They do it all the time. You could end up going up the river for defending yourself.
Note the border patrol officers who shot at drug smugglers. They are in the Pen. If they got their stories together and consulted with an attorney they would have fared better.
Learn to play the game and make it work for you like it works to protect crooks.