www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs I thought this might need it's own thread. You decide for yourself. Does our vote count? No wonder Bush smirks at us. Go to the links also. I got to go barf.:barf:
Rigged USA Elections Exposed!
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Silver Bullet
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Hey, you're right ! The whole thing's rigged ! Next election, you may as well stay home.
Silver Bullet
New member
I prefer to keep the elections rigged. 
ITEOTWAWKI
Moderator
I'm with silver. What if in 20 years that this war on terror was the greatest thing for our safety?
hahhahhahahahaha, no really...
hahhahhahahahaha, no really...
This leaves me a little confused because it was the Bush "haters" after the last presidential election who demanded that we get rid of paper ballots because of the "chad" problem (just who is this Chad, anyway, and why is he hanging around all the time?).
So it's the Bush haters that demanded that we go to electronic machines, and now that the Bush haters have been responsible for thousands of counties across the nation to spend zillions of dollars to make the changes, it's again the Bush haters that are all up with their panties in a wad over it.
Short of making it illegal for Republicans to vote, just what is it that the Bush haters want?
Carter
So it's the Bush haters that demanded that we go to electronic machines, and now that the Bush haters have been responsible for thousands of counties across the nation to spend zillions of dollars to make the changes, it's again the Bush haters that are all up with their panties in a wad over it.
Short of making it illegal for Republicans to vote, just what is it that the Bush haters want?
Carter
Why would Bush smirk? The electronic machines, by and large, are being produced by Diebold. And Diebold has been shown to have links to the Democratic party (including giving them real time access to the voting results in California). Do you think Bush is happy the Dems get to rig elections, or was this just a knee jerk reaction?
I'm starting to suspect that it was an excuse for them to get the machines in place to guarantee victory in the electoral college in 2008.
ITEOTWAWKI
Moderator
Wait just a bloody ****** second, the only two states I know for sure that have/had electronic diebold voting machines were Ohio & Florida, both rather republican states with republican Governors. When I google "Diebold conflict of interest", all I can find are connections between Diebold and Republicans. Where do you guys get off stating that it's been 'Bush Haters' fault that there are ballot-less voting going on?! Bush WON those two states!
I hate bush as much as the next good red-blooded American, but to imply that we're somehow responsible for something that's obviously worked for his benefit is...retarded. WTF are you guys thinking? Sources please.
Here's mine. It's all of the net so it must be true.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0406-27.htm
"Blackwell tried to award unbid contracts worth millions while allowing its operators to steal Ohio elections. A top Republican election official also says a Diebold operative told him he made a $50,000 donation to Blackwell's "political interests.""
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
"The massive screwup in Volusia County was all but lost in all the furor over hanging chads and butterfly ballots in South Florida. In part that's because county election officials avoided a total disaster by quickly conducting a hand recount of the more than 184,000 paper ballots used to feed the computerized system. But the huge computer miscount led several networks to incorrectly call the race for Bush."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/53438/6175
"The assertion by pundits/Bushies that exit polling was 'way off', and thus, exit polls, which showed an easy Kerry victory in both Ohio and Florida, were incorrectly skewed and did not represent the electorate, is completely bogus.
This is disproved in minutes by simply noting the entire rest of the suite of exit polls conducted by AP and distributed to the news media."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml
"A Diebold plot to rig the elections? Where did that idea come from? The rumors began with this letter from Diebold's CEO, Wally Odell, who was moonlighting as a Republican fundraiser. In his invitation to a benefit for Bush last August, he wrote, "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." "
Now, Kerry is of course in Kahoots with bush and would have very likely been very similar to Bush policy-wise, It's just the PRINCIPAL...
I hate bush as much as the next good red-blooded American, but to imply that we're somehow responsible for something that's obviously worked for his benefit is...retarded. WTF are you guys thinking? Sources please.
Here's mine. It's all of the net so it must be true.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0406-27.htm
"Blackwell tried to award unbid contracts worth millions while allowing its operators to steal Ohio elections. A top Republican election official also says a Diebold operative told him he made a $50,000 donation to Blackwell's "political interests.""
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
"The massive screwup in Volusia County was all but lost in all the furor over hanging chads and butterfly ballots in South Florida. In part that's because county election officials avoided a total disaster by quickly conducting a hand recount of the more than 184,000 paper ballots used to feed the computerized system. But the huge computer miscount led several networks to incorrectly call the race for Bush."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/53438/6175
"The assertion by pundits/Bushies that exit polling was 'way off', and thus, exit polls, which showed an easy Kerry victory in both Ohio and Florida, were incorrectly skewed and did not represent the electorate, is completely bogus.
This is disproved in minutes by simply noting the entire rest of the suite of exit polls conducted by AP and distributed to the news media."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml
"A Diebold plot to rig the elections? Where did that idea come from? The rumors began with this letter from Diebold's CEO, Wally Odell, who was moonlighting as a Republican fundraiser. In his invitation to a benefit for Bush last August, he wrote, "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." "
Now, Kerry is of course in Kahoots with bush and would have very likely been very similar to Bush policy-wise, It's just the PRINCIPAL...
Because the video in question is designed (and I use that word intentionally, as the video seems created for that particular purpose) to show that Bush rigged the election in 2000 and 2004. By contrast, the only evidence of electronic rigging to come to date actually implicated the Dems through the Diebold machines.
ITEOTWAWKI
Moderator
To which I'm DYING to know:
How you figga?
Between the known diebold/repub party connections, mismatched exit polls (in ONLY FL & OH), and the fact that BUSH WON, how do you actually see the anti-bush folks implicated? What are you adding up to get that? What pieces of the picture are you putting together to get to that conclusion?
And where do you get the idea that it was the dems responsible for getting ballot-less voting machines in the first place?
How you figga?
Between the known diebold/repub party connections, mismatched exit polls (in ONLY FL & OH), and the fact that BUSH WON, how do you actually see the anti-bush folks implicated? What are you adding up to get that? What pieces of the picture are you putting together to get to that conclusion?
And where do you get the idea that it was the dems responsible for getting ballot-less voting machines in the first place?
invention_45
New member
I can't tell you what "bush haters" want, but democracy lovers want a reviewable (by an ordinary person) accurate (when a candidate is selected he's selected and not maybe selected by virtue of "hanging chads").
Reviewable. Accurate.
Reviewable. Accurate.
ITEOTWAWKI
Moderator
So as a Democracy Lover, would it be worthwhile and even patriotic to put a brick through any diebold electronic voting machines next election? Maybe even start a movement...
If it has a touchscreen, it gets a brick.
If it has a touchscreen, it gets a brick.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
I'm gonna say this only once:
This includes acronyms and thinly veiled &%$# words. If any of the potty mouths here suddenly find themselves unable to post at TFL, know that you'd been warned.
Rich
This includes acronyms and thinly veiled &%$# words. If any of the potty mouths here suddenly find themselves unable to post at TFL, know that you'd been warned.
Rich
I would get more upset about this if stealing elections weren't a time-honored American tradition. John Kennedy, IIRC, was the beneficiary of an enormous number of graveyard votes in the 1960 election. He was hardly the first to benefit by such shenanigans.
If people want to cheat, they will find a way to cheat. Electronic voting should certainly have a paper trail that it gets cross checked against. If that is done, in fact, it is probably less corruptable than either electronic OR paper alone.
Paper can be shredded. Programs can be tampered with. Being able to pull off BOTH in the same election seems unlikely.
Springmom, who just wishes there were better candidates to vote FOR
If people want to cheat, they will find a way to cheat. Electronic voting should certainly have a paper trail that it gets cross checked against. If that is done, in fact, it is probably less corruptable than either electronic OR paper alone.
Paper can be shredded. Programs can be tampered with. Being able to pull off BOTH in the same election seems unlikely.
Springmom, who just wishes there were better candidates to vote FOR
Gary Conner
New member
Why the outrage?
Not having a paper ballot is a guarantee of having an election rigged. There is no way there will be no vote tampering by election judges, since they handle the machines, and there WILL be vote stealing via the computerized voting method. However, there has been vote fraud every since the inception of our Country.
Democrats have the most documented history of being the most capable in rigging entire elections as evidenced by the sudden appearance of Ballot Box No. 13 in South Texas during the Senatorial election of LBJ against Coke Stevenson when Johnson was first elected to the Senate from Texas, and of course the legendary Chicago debacle, in the Nixon/Kennedy Presidential election wherein the legendary Chicago political machinery assisted mightily in heisting the election in Illinois for John Kennedy.
But the thing is, both issues are history. Democrats get livid at claims that Bush stole the election in 2000, but recall with misty eyed adulation, the history of Ballot Box 13, and the Chicago election fraud which helped in stealing the election from Nixon.
Kind of selective in their outrage I would say.
What we should be discussing is demanding paper ballots, since computerized voting can so easily assist in heisting the entire election, not just selected precincts by ballot box manufacturing. Either side will use the system to guarantee their victory, if they are in control of those machines.
So our outrage should be at our Government not listening to the whole, in that only the MINORITY of the voting public wanted computerized voting, and that came about from a bunch of idiots in Florida not being smart enough to figure out HOW to vote. It was the Left Wing of the Democrat party who has DEMANDED computerized voting, and the fraud bonus that will go with it.
We have exchanged the will of the masses, for the will of the mentally infirmed in Florida, who could not either read, or were careless in casting their votes. And whoever has control of those machines has control of the entire political process.
Lyndon Johnson would be laughing his head off at us for allowing computerized voting.
Not having a paper ballot is a guarantee of having an election rigged. There is no way there will be no vote tampering by election judges, since they handle the machines, and there WILL be vote stealing via the computerized voting method. However, there has been vote fraud every since the inception of our Country.
Democrats have the most documented history of being the most capable in rigging entire elections as evidenced by the sudden appearance of Ballot Box No. 13 in South Texas during the Senatorial election of LBJ against Coke Stevenson when Johnson was first elected to the Senate from Texas, and of course the legendary Chicago debacle, in the Nixon/Kennedy Presidential election wherein the legendary Chicago political machinery assisted mightily in heisting the election in Illinois for John Kennedy.
But the thing is, both issues are history. Democrats get livid at claims that Bush stole the election in 2000, but recall with misty eyed adulation, the history of Ballot Box 13, and the Chicago election fraud which helped in stealing the election from Nixon.
Kind of selective in their outrage I would say.
What we should be discussing is demanding paper ballots, since computerized voting can so easily assist in heisting the entire election, not just selected precincts by ballot box manufacturing. Either side will use the system to guarantee their victory, if they are in control of those machines.
So our outrage should be at our Government not listening to the whole, in that only the MINORITY of the voting public wanted computerized voting, and that came about from a bunch of idiots in Florida not being smart enough to figure out HOW to vote. It was the Left Wing of the Democrat party who has DEMANDED computerized voting, and the fraud bonus that will go with it.
We have exchanged the will of the masses, for the will of the mentally infirmed in Florida, who could not either read, or were careless in casting their votes. And whoever has control of those machines has control of the entire political process.
Lyndon Johnson would be laughing his head off at us for allowing computerized voting.