Rifle barrel break in? Really?

DaveInPA

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I read an article from one of the gun magazines saying that a rifle should be "broken in" in the following manner:

Take your new rifle, 20 rounds of ammo, and your cleaning kit to the range. Completely clean the bore after EVERY round. Now your rifle is broken in.

I just bought a new deer rifle and I'll be taking it to the range for the first time on Sunday. Is there any reason I would want to go through what sounds like an unbelievably tedious process like this?
 
I’ve never ‘broken in’ a barrel before. I read the owner’s manual with each new gun. So far I’ve not come across anything about barrel break in. I’ll field strip and clean a new rifle and shoot the heck out of it, clean it when I get home.

I’d recommend you read the owner’s manual and follow any ‘pre firing’ instructions.

Enjoy your new rifle!
 
If you want to really maximize the accuracy out of a rifle, you break it in. Basically you clean after every shot for like 10 shots. Then every 2 shots for like another 20 shots and so on. The goal is to not allow copper fouling to stick on the rifling as it is smoothed by the bullets. I broke in my Ar-30 this way and get under .5 inch at 100 regularly. My Ar15 Hbar shoots around 3/4 inch to an inch. I broke it in as well. Mine is not a floated tube or anything and I still have the crap trigger on it. Just a plain ole Bushmaster Flattop. I wouldnt worry about a 22, but something that can really shoot, I would.

Cleaning betweeen shots is minor and usually consists of a wet patch with Hoppes and a clean dry one. Dont scrub the hell out of it. Just get the crud out.
 
BAH HUMBUG...barrel break in is a myth.

The newest gun I own is a Remington 700 SPS VT. I took it out of the box, ran a patch of Hoppes through it to clean out any gunk from the factory. Went to the range and shot 100 rounds through it without stopping to clean. Half to sub-half inch groups at 100 yards were the norm the entire time. Went home, cleaned it like normal.

I reckon I've put close to 1,000 rounds through this barrel and its still able to shoot 1/2 to 1 inch groups out to 250 yards. It shoots so well that it actually gets boring when Im at the range.
 
I also think barrel break in is a myth; at least the nonsense of using some procedure like the one mentioned that is based on nothing but smoke and mirrors, with no science involved in arriving at the recommended procedure. It's kind of like witchcraft. And, some very visible people in our rifle fraternity peddle that crap as if they are authorities on the subject. I call BS!!
Factory barrels are generally not lapped by the company selling the rifle, or the maker of those barrels. I do lap those barrels to smooth out any tool marks left from the machining operations during manufacture. Before I started doing that, I just shot the rifle normally, developing loads that shot well, and used the rifle for hunting. Some people get their jollies by doing some procedure as mentioned above, and then telling the world about how great their rifle shoots after spending hours shooting bullets, and a bottle of cleaning solvent. After reading all of the different barrel break in procedures that have come about since McMillan said barrels need to be broken in, I can say that there is not one shread of science that went into any of those stupid rituals; and they are nothing more than rituals.
The best aftermarket barrel makers like Hart, Shilen, and Krieger, lap their barrel before selling them. You do NOT break in their barrels, you just shoot them. Absent the lapping of Factory rifle barrels, you, as the owner, either lap them as I do, or you shoot them normally as I did do.

Martyn

Edit to add: I put barrel break in alongside cryogenic quenching of perfectly good barrels as one of the great frauds sold by those who stand to profit from suckers who buy into doing it.
 
Hahahahaha! Go on over to 6mmbr.com or benchrest.com and pen a thread stating barrel break-in is a myth and see if anybody responds...
 
So, they got a lot of suckers over there.
There are LOTS of suckers that own guns. That doesn't mean that I have to be a sucker just because someone else is.
I'm a scientist, and retired 13 years ago from the scientific community.
Show me the test data from an independent test activity validating that barrel break in is required. No one has to date.
If they get their jollies sitting at a bench for hours shooting and cleaning, believing that what they are doing is useful, let them do it.
Until an independent test agency validates it's usefulness, I will continue holding it as a myth.
Barrel break in is a MYTH....

Martyn

Edit to add: Wayne, you and I were posting at the same time. My post was directed at the guy who post just before you. I do like your idea of storing rifles in a Pyramid though.. Never thought of that before..LOL
 
My 700LTR has been the most accurate factory rifle I have ever owned or fired. No break in procedure at all. The only "break in " I follow is to thoroughly clean the bore before firing the first time.
 
Did someone say they wanted some science?

Barrel breaking in is largely about burnishing ... read carefully.

I've talked with 4 metallurgist and 3 barrel manufactures (Rock Creek, Hart and Shilen), on the subject. From a scientific point of view, they all said and agreed to pretty much the same thing.

First, barrel break-in processes keep them in business. This shoot and clean, shoot and clean every round or few rounds break-in process only damages your brand new match barrel. Think of a car engine for a moment. Why do we use oil in the engine? To prevent metal-to-metal contact and reduce friction between two metal surfaces. Your barrel is no different from the engine. Mike Rock at Rock Creek barrels gave me the most detailed explanations on barrels and ballistics. Mike has his degree in metallurgy; he was also the chief ballistics engineer for the Army for many years at the Aberdeen Proving grounds. Stan Rivenbark was one of the top ballistic engineers for Raytheon before he retired in the 70's and also has a degree in metallurgy. I also talked with two local metallurgists here in North TX. I confirmed my findings with each person to see if they agreed or disagreed. Conclusion, they all agreed with each other's assessments.

When Mike worked at Aberdeen proving grounds, the Army used high speed bore videos with mirrors, thermal imaging and computers to analyze any and everything that happens when the firing pin hits the primer and the round goes off. When the primer ignites there is enough pressure to move the bullet forward into the lands. The bullet then stops. As the primer ignites the powder, more pressure builds moving the bullet forward where it can stop again. Once there is enough pressure from the round going off, the bullet is moved down out the barrel. All of this happens in nanoseconds (billionths of a second). Your bullet starts and stops at least twice and sometimes three times before it leaves the barrel. This is fact.

If you clean every round or every few rounds during your barrel break-in process or clean your rifle so well after shooting that you take it down to the bare metal, you've created a metal-to-metal contact surface for the next time you shoot the gun. So what's the problem with this you ask? Just like your car engine, metal-to-metal contact will sheer away layers of metal from each surface. So if your bullet is starting and stopping two or three times as it leaves the barrel, that's two or three places for metal-to-metal contact to happen as well as the rest of your bore. The use of JB's and Flitz can and will take you down to metal-to-metal contact. For all intents and purposes, JB's and Flitz are not the most ideal products for cleaning your rifle.

According to Mike Rock, and the other barrel manufactures agreed, all you need to avoid this metal-to-metal contact is a good burnish in the barrel. Shilen, Hart and Rock Creek will all void your barrel warranty if you shoot moly bullets and for good reason. This is not to say that moly is necessarily bad for a barrel, but it is when applied to bullets. There is no way possible to coat a bore with moly bullets. The bullet contact surface in the barrel is only so big. But when your round goes off, moly comes off the contact surface of the bullet in the throat area of the rifle and is bonded to the barrel due to the excessive heat and pressure. We're not talking coated or adhered to, we're talking bonded, d**n near permanent. With this, some of the jacket coating comes off the bullet. Follow this up with another round and you've now embedded the copper jacket between layers of bonded moly. This is the beginning of the black moly ring, which ruins countless barrels and is so hard; it can hardly be scraped off with a screwdriver's corner edge. This is what happened to a new Shilen SS select match barrel I had to have replaced with less than 400 rounds through it. I can't talk for Fastex as I don't or none of the folks I talked to knew enough about the product to comment on it. When I talked to Mike about my new barrel and the barrel break-in process, this is what he had to say. He first hand laps each barrel with a lead lap. He then uses two products from Sentry Solutions, a product called Smooth Coat, which is an alcohol and moly based product. He applies wet patches of Smooth Coats until the bore is good and saturated and lets it sit until the alcohol evaporates. The barrel now has loose moly in it. Next he uses a product called BP-2000, which is a very fine moly powder. Applied to a patch wrapped around a bore brush, he makes a hundred passes or so through the barrel very rapidly before having to rest. He repeats this process with fresh patches containing the moly powder a few more times. What he is doing is burnishing the barrel surface with moly and filling in any fine micro lines left by the hand lapping. He then uses a couple of clean patches to knock out any remaining moly left in the bore.

With the barrel burnished with moly, this will prevent any metal-to-metal contact during the barrel break-in process. My instructions for barrel break-in were quite simple. Shoot 20 rounds (non-moly bullets) with no cleaning, as this will further burnish the barrel. Done! Now shoot and clean using your regular regimen of cleaning and if you have to use JB's or flitz type products, go very easy with them, or better yet avoid them. Never clean down to bare metal. He said most of the cleaning products do a great job, don't be afraid to use a brush and go easy on the ammonia-based products for removing copper fouling. Basically don't let the ammonia-based products remain in the barrel for long lengths of time.

Well that's the long and skinny from the scientific point of view on the subject. If you're ever in doubt about the real condition of your barrel, take it to someone who has a bore scope and even better if someone has a bore scope that can magnify the view. You may be surprised at what is really going on in your barrel.
 
i have two match grade hand lapped barrels. they needed no break in. the semi decent grade barrels can be upgraded to decent by carefull shooting when new. a pos barrel is a pos no matter what you do. in my opinion if it is that rough it probably has lots of other machining problems too. bobn
 
Barrel break in is all about snake oil, smoke, and mirrors. Its all myth and rumor. Just go out and shoot your rifle, and clean it at the end of the day. It will be fine. No rocket science or voodoo magic involved :)
 
Steps I take to break in a Barrel 1.remove rifle from box 2.clean rifle 3.shoot rifle 4.clean rifle 5.put rifle in gun safe or cabinet I have several rifles Savage, Weatherby and a Howa that were taken from the box to my range and sighted in.They held MOA or better then and they still do now ELMOUSMC
 
I actually sell pyramid shaped gun containers. They normally run $800 per unit but I'll sell half price because I like you guys. I know its a lot but how can you put a price on sub-MOA? I also sell gun snake oil. The snake oil will help your shot because unlike regular oil it actually soaks into the metal and evens out any natural inperfections. Its a steal at $50 an once and will save you money in the long run. :D
 
Dave:

Save your time, money, cleaning fluid, and patience, and skip the break-in routine. Invest your money in 4 or 5 different boxes of different brands and weights of soft-point ammo, and spend your time finding out which brand and weight of ammo that Ruger shoots most accurately.

I'm not going to debate the merits of break-in here, but you're not dealing with a benchrest gun. You have a deer gun. Find out what ammo the gun likes best, and then spend your time by practicing shooting off the bench.

P.S. Good job finding a great deal on that gun, and nice scope, too!!! :) Now practice with it this summer, have fun, and you'll be set for deer season.
 
From a benchrest/extreme accuracy viewpoint:

Some benchresters do the "break in" bit.

Some don't.

Both groups seem to shoot pretty much the same.
 
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