Removal of S&W integral lock
- Thread starter Brian Busch
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S & W INTERNAL LOCKING SYSTEM
This is much more of a "political" issue than a real issue.
Concerning revolver operation it is a NON-ISSUE.
Since there are no children in the house, I put the keys in a filing cabinet and the unlocked handgun in a large safe and forget about it.
I would rather not have the installed gun locks because I'm paying for a feature that I don't use or need.
This is much more of a "political" issue than a real issue.
Concerning revolver operation it is a NON-ISSUE.
Since there are no children in the house, I put the keys in a filing cabinet and the unlocked handgun in a large safe and forget about it.
I would rather not have the installed gun locks because I'm paying for a feature that I don't use or need.
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Key locks like the S&W's now have are a solution to a non-existant problem.
It was put there as a feel good add on so that S&W could sell guns in areas that require integral locks.
I hate add on locks and safetys, I won't buy a new S&W, Taurus, Rossi, Remington, Winchester, et al.
Like one of the above posters said there are too many older guns to buy to even wory about it.
However here is a solution to the "locked-unlocked" wory that many have.
DISASSEMBLE the revolver. You really don't want to do this with it assembled. Too much of a chance of getting Loctite in the action.
Clean the lock with break clean or something to remove all the oil from its working parts.
After the lock is degreased, put it in the "OFF" position and put a couple drops of "RED" Loctite in it.
Once this cures there is no way in the world this thing will move without heating it.
Reassemble the gun, wipe it down and your done.
No gaping holes, no gunsmith modifications, and essentially NO safety to accidentally get turned to the "ON" position.
It was put there as a feel good add on so that S&W could sell guns in areas that require integral locks.
I hate add on locks and safetys, I won't buy a new S&W, Taurus, Rossi, Remington, Winchester, et al.
Like one of the above posters said there are too many older guns to buy to even wory about it.
However here is a solution to the "locked-unlocked" wory that many have.
DISASSEMBLE the revolver. You really don't want to do this with it assembled. Too much of a chance of getting Loctite in the action.
Clean the lock with break clean or something to remove all the oil from its working parts.
After the lock is degreased, put it in the "OFF" position and put a couple drops of "RED" Loctite in it.
Once this cures there is no way in the world this thing will move without heating it.
Reassemble the gun, wipe it down and your done.
No gaping holes, no gunsmith modifications, and essentially NO safety to accidentally get turned to the "ON" position.
Huh? Why do you say that? You can remove and replace all of the other parts of the action, why could you not remove the lock? When I last spoke with the fellow who designed the lock, he told me that when unlocked, none of the lock parts contact any of the action parts. I conclude, therefore, that none of the lock parts are essential to the functioning of the revolver and could thus probably be removed without any ill effect. I don't have one, so I can't test my theory.
VictorLouis
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I swore I'd never buy a used one with it.
However, there's a couple of models I want that I can probably live with it. Besides, it would give me the opportunity to find out for myself. From the close-ups I've seen, it surely looks like it's workable. There would be a large gap between the hammer and the frame where the 'locked' flag rests. This could allow entry for all manner of dirt, dust and moisture that your gun may be exposed to.
However, there's a couple of models I want that I can probably live with it. Besides, it would give me the opportunity to find out for myself. From the close-ups I've seen, it surely looks like it's workable. There would be a large gap between the hammer and the frame where the 'locked' flag rests. This could allow entry for all manner of dirt, dust and moisture that your gun may be exposed to.
Prodigalshooter
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jar, 
The Lock has a place
Well
It does not sound to me like there are any traveling businessmen in this response group.
There are times when a business person simply cannot carry, i.e. in a business meeting with security devices etc. I could list a lot of places in which a concealed handgun would be detected and the business man would be out on his ear. Surely some of you are aware of this.
I dont wish to be shot with my own gun or be responsible for some one getting shot with my gun. I am gratefull for the lock as I can hide it locked in the truck etc etc with a little better feeling.
I also on occasion have no choice but to leave it locked in a secure place when going into Mexico and I bet there are other business men who are not unhappy with the lock.
I carry 95 percent of the time and I am glad to have the lock the other 5 percent of the time it must stay behind.
Well
It does not sound to me like there are any traveling businessmen in this response group.
There are times when a business person simply cannot carry, i.e. in a business meeting with security devices etc. I could list a lot of places in which a concealed handgun would be detected and the business man would be out on his ear. Surely some of you are aware of this.
I dont wish to be shot with my own gun or be responsible for some one getting shot with my gun. I am gratefull for the lock as I can hide it locked in the truck etc etc with a little better feeling.
I also on occasion have no choice but to leave it locked in a secure place when going into Mexico and I bet there are other business men who are not unhappy with the lock.
I carry 95 percent of the time and I am glad to have the lock the other 5 percent of the time it must stay behind.
VictorLouis
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glh, I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU TO RECONSIDER CARRYING INTO MEXICO. It's a 100% absolute sure ticket to Mexican prison! Yes, even so much as one sticking cartridge in your possession(such as might have fell out of your range bag) is going to result in prison. Now, if your personaly security/safety is worth such a risk, it's up to you.
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Mr. Louis
I did not mean to infer that I carried a gun into Mexico. That would be a very stupid thing to do. I am quite well versed on he gun law in our brother state as my business is related to certain aspects of the international border law.
Mr. Louis; I guess I should have said 'when I go into Mexico I leave my gun in the United States and lock it up' (that is what I do) I did not presume to think that perhaps, one would have the thought that I would attempt to take it across...even though I could get the permits if I wished. I do not wish to do so, way to much trouble awaits the armed American Citizen across the border. I have no desire to run that risk.
I certaintly do thank you for your concern. But I do not carry across the border I leave my gun on this side Locked and I am glad I have the Lock. If I chose not to have the lock I can alsways purchase a carry gun without it.
Thank you
Mr. Louis
I did not mean to infer that I carried a gun into Mexico. That would be a very stupid thing to do. I am quite well versed on he gun law in our brother state as my business is related to certain aspects of the international border law.
Mr. Louis; I guess I should have said 'when I go into Mexico I leave my gun in the United States and lock it up' (that is what I do) I did not presume to think that perhaps, one would have the thought that I would attempt to take it across...even though I could get the permits if I wished. I do not wish to do so, way to much trouble awaits the armed American Citizen across the border. I have no desire to run that risk.
I certaintly do thank you for your concern. But I do not carry across the border I leave my gun on this side Locked and I am glad I have the Lock. If I chose not to have the lock I can alsways purchase a carry gun without it.
Thank you
Brian Busch
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don't shoot it's me
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With that much hostility, I think your best course of action would be to pour some loctite into the hole of your lock, but be sure to lock it with the key first...
The lock is a two piece affair. There is the key cylinder and a "flag". Note the instruction manual does not identify the locking peices, so I'm making up the names.
Anyway the cylinder moves the flag into the locking position. I call it the flag because it pops up by the hammer and says 'locked'. The flag is what actualy interferes with the operation of the gun. You can disasemble the gun, remove the flag, reassmble, and it looks to me like the gun would work just fine. The key cylinder would still be in the gun, though it would do nohting. I have recently bought 2 new Smiths with this feature, but I have not disabled the locks. I'm content just to leave then unlocked and act as thoughthere is no lock on the gun.
I doubt it cout become locked accidently.
Anyway the cylinder moves the flag into the locking position. I call it the flag because it pops up by the hammer and says 'locked'. The flag is what actualy interferes with the operation of the gun. You can disasemble the gun, remove the flag, reassmble, and it looks to me like the gun would work just fine. The key cylinder would still be in the gun, though it would do nohting. I have recently bought 2 new Smiths with this feature, but I have not disabled the locks. I'm content just to leave then unlocked and act as thoughthere is no lock on the gun.
I doubt it cout become locked accidently.
Mr. Busch
After carefully reviewing your post I have a few suggesions as to this problem.
1. Put the gun in a large vise.
2. Tighten up and squeeze the gun tightly.
3. Use a large 5lb mallet (steel) and beat the barrel rearward.
4. After this has been accomplished I would suggest the following.
Stick the gun into a portion of the body where the sunlight does not often reach. You are then finished wala outta sight outta mind.
With your evident mind set this is the perfect answer to the problem, I know you will be happy and feel better about this,I have often assisted in this procedure and can tell you it works wonders on a shall we say rather 'foul frame of mind'
Many Regards
After carefully reviewing your post I have a few suggesions as to this problem.
1. Put the gun in a large vise.
2. Tighten up and squeeze the gun tightly.
3. Use a large 5lb mallet (steel) and beat the barrel rearward.
4. After this has been accomplished I would suggest the following.
Stick the gun into a portion of the body where the sunlight does not often reach. You are then finished wala outta sight outta mind.
With your evident mind set this is the perfect answer to the problem, I know you will be happy and feel better about this,I have often assisted in this procedure and can tell you it works wonders on a shall we say rather 'foul frame of mind'
Many Regards
VictorLouis
New member
glh, I guess I DID read too much into your post.
Sorry.
Brian, no need to get all out of sorts. I inferred that you should be able to. See Roger's photo.
Sorry.
Brian, no need to get all out of sorts. I inferred that you should be able to. See Roger's photo.