Removal of S&W integral lock

Sure, but why would want to? It will leave a hole in the side of your gun that dirt and junk will surely get into and mess up your trigger or bind up the gun completely.
When the lock is disengaged it has absolutely NO contact with any of the moving parts in the mechanism.
 
Because I don't trust locks. This isn't about "why", it's about can it be done and if so how.

How would you remove the lock? Just unscrew it from the hole in the frame?
 
I agree. I am the first to complain about extra junk in guns, but the new lock seems harmless. I just finished doing a trigger job on my new model 66 and the lock mechanism causes no problems and touches nothing. Ask me about the stupid frame mounted firing pin........ that's a solution for a non existent problem which requires higher mainspring force to fire reliably (hence, heavier trigger pull weight). That's one new feature I am not fond of, but the new lock seems benign.
 
Well first I'd look it over real carefully and see is there is an obvious disassembly path. If I couldn't figure out how to take it apart, I'd remove EVERYTHING from inside the gun and drill it out. Don't know what I'd use to seal up the hole though. JB Weld maybe.
Be real sure you want to keep that gun. This will certainly distroy the resale value.
 
If you remove the lock, you'll reduce the reliability of the weapon. There are voids without the locking mechanism that can hand up the action.

I'm sure that a savvy gunsmith can successfully remove and correct any potential problems. At seventy-five bucks an hour he'll also make it the most expensive J frame in history.

The way this locking mechanism was designed, there is no possible way for it to lock on its own. Any fears that it will lock accidentally is far fetched. If it was something personal, shouldn't have bought the gun and gotten a Ruger instead.
 
Rather than removing it which seems an iffy proposition, why not just epoxy the lock so that t can't be locked ever. No void, no holes, no revolver locking itself :rolleyes:
 
I'm confused how a void (empty space) can hang the action.
The epoxy solution is viable. I'd still rather remove it entirely.
Better still, I'll buy a pre-lock J-Frame. I havent purchased one yet. However I'm considering it, and the only real concern I have about the Jframe is the lock (hence this post) and the agreement.
I don't like locks. Locks break, locks get locked accidentally, keys get lost, etc, and I don't like things forced on me. Reassurances? Keep them. Buy a Ruger? Yeah right. Like Ruger makes an 11oz revolver. Besides, if I've got a problem with the S&W agreement you can guess what I think of Ruger.
Thanks fellas, youve been a BIG help.
 
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That's why I buy vintage S&W .... I can certainly relate to the desire to remove them!

(Won't buy a new Taurus for same reason.)

Good luck.
 
I believe you have to open up the sideplate to remove the lock. I suggest you get Jerry K's book on S&W actions -- the book is pre-lock, but it shows you how to open up the sideplate and how to put the essential parts back together. You'll need a set of gunsmith screwdrivers as well.
 
. Ask me about the stupid frame mounted firing pin........ that's a solution for a non existent problem
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It may have solved a problem for the marketing department at S&W bountyh. Smiths seem to evolve slowly, maybe the marketers demanded a new feature, any new feature, to help them sell more revolvers.
 
I don't really care for the lock idea, but that by itself wouldn't preclude me from buying one. With that being said, there are too many fine old Smiths out there to even worry about it.
 
What does the lock have to do with the DA having a field day? This is same thing they said about Glocks in the 80’s. If you shot someone I think the removal of the integrate safety lock is the last of your worries. It is not illegal to remove the integrated safety lock the last time I check.

Integrated safety lock is stupid and dangerous. The only think it does is makes the gun unsafe for storage. Use a cable lock because right away you can tell if the gun is lock or not.
 
Integrated safety lock is stupid and dangerous.
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Stupid, yes. Dangerous? No. Just don't use the fool thing. Same is true with the "lock" on my HK USPcs. I unlocked them, tossed the "key" back in the box and forgot about them. Do the same with the S&W lock.
 
I admit I have no fondness for these new locks either. It's a case of the manufacturers' being more concerned about protecting themselves from lawsuits they worrying about you. Be that as it may, I think the best solution if you don't like the lock is to buy an older S&W, or any other make & model of you're choice that doesn't have these features. Trying to eliminate the lock may cause some other problems not yet foreseen.
 
Stupid, yes. Dangerous? No. Just don't use the fool thing. Same is true with the "lock" on my HK USPcs. I unlocked them, tossed the "key" back in the box and forgot about them. Do the same with the S&W lock.
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I'm not talking about experience people that have been around firearms for a long time. We know better. I’m talking about inexperience first time buyers. For them this will be their only firearm they will ever get and go to the range once a year if lucky.

You have a locking system that is hard to tell if it is locked or not. Here is a simple scenario: Dad think he locked the gun using the integrate locking safety system. A family member (kid, mom, dad, etc) got the gun out of storage and thinking that the gun is lock the person pull the trigger. We got a problem here I think. Ever gave a gun to a newbie? You know what the first thing they do? They pull the damn trigger.

These gun manufacture are promoting a one size fit all gun safety lock. Most of us on this forum know better then that but not to the people I mention above and boy there are more of them then us. The integrated locking system gave a false sense of safety and the sad thing about this it is marketed toward first time (and most likely the only gun they will buy) buyers.

I will never recommend a handgun that has an integrated locking system.
 
I have a 342 bcause it weighs so little, there aren't any others this light, so I ignore the lock and nobody else ever touches my guns anyway, I've also got a steel 640 and an alloy bodyguard but for ankle carry this 342 is an awesome gun(with a not so awesome trigger and a really ridiculous lock)...tom
 
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