Remington R51

I didn't phrase that very well. I meant from their marketing point of view. And even Glock made adjustments to their design.

It will be interesting to see what reputation the pistol gains over the next year.
 
I have seen videos that had zero malfunction issues, and some that had several...

The nosedive issue is definitely magazine related... The edges of the metal, and any holes/cutouts on the mag are probably rough and causing extra drag... Or the design needs tweaking. One is fixable by the owner, the other is not... Either way is not good.

A little rough function can be cured with a break in period... But with so many other pistols that work well from the get go, that kind of sucks to need it in this one.

The TFB guy that did a review on it, posted a picture in the comments on their site... He discovered a crack in the breechblock or locking piece, couldn't tell what piece exactly. Either way, one that is important for function. Whether the crack was in just a surface plating or the actual steel I could not tell from a simple picture.
 
3. The R51 needs some break in time, just like a Kahr, Sig, or Kimber.
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How many hundreds or thousands of rounds should the owner be required to fire before that break in is done?

But everything I've read indicate the gen 2s are absolutely fantastic defensive pistols... as long as you don't feed them garbage ammo!!
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You're reading something different than me I guess.

While I think it is good to be skeptical of reviewers, it's also good to not be overly defensive of pistols that appeal to us when the first wave was completely recalled and the second wave already has at best mixed results.

For those upset about the choice of ammo you can also watch the update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABiLeemLq5Q
 
How many hundreds or thousands of rounds should the owner be required to fire before that break in is done?
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Kahr says 200. Kimber says 400. Sig says 600.


Why do I think if the R51 were named P51, and the manufactureres name had three letters beginning with an S it would be a great gun that like all finely machined fiirearms needed several hundred rounds to break it in?:D
 
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Thalked to my friend that bought a new R51 last week. The ammo he was using without any problems.....Blazer ALUMINUM!
One other note that makes the videos very curious. My friend in not a gun blogger, nor video reviewer. He just buys, and shoots guns. Lots of guns. He also isn't very pain tolerant. I laugh at him every time he buys a new rifle and, often even before he shoots it for the first time, takes it to the smith to have a break put on! Anyway, what is curious is another thing he mention was how much more comfortable the R51 is to shoot than his other 9MM pistols. :confused::confused::confused:
 
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Why do I think if the R51 were named P51, and the manufactureres name had three letters beginning with an S it would be a great gun that like all finely machined fiirearms needed several hundred rounds to break it in?
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Idk why you think that. In regards to me it isn't true, but whatever makes you happy.

Thalked to my friend that bought a new R51 last week. The ammo he was using without any problems.....Blazer ALUMINUM!
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Like I said great for your friend if his works. What I've said all along is what I'm seeing raises what are to me pretty legitimate concerns about the quality control on this pistol. It actually really confuses me to see people getting defensive about it.
 
Considering one reviewer has reported physical damage to the internals, I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy over this rollout either.
 
@Cheapshooter. Do you think those videos were staged to make the gun look bad? A conspiracy, perhaps? :D

Anyway, I don't believe I've ever owned a pistol that expressly required a break in. They've all just shot right out of the box just fine. My only Sig experience is a P238 and it's never had a malfunction. But that's a Colt copy so who knows.

Personally, I wouldn't fire a gun that was bulging cases like in the first video. Too many other good choices.
 
I don't think anything was staged. But I have been looking at others that don't seem to be having anywhere near tye same problems.
This one seems to be one of the most objective of all.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E2C76FE9F9F847449EB2E2C76FE9F9F8474&FORM=VIRE

The Truth About Guns review doesn't mention any of tye problems in the other videos either.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/08/foghorn/gun-review-remington-r51-2016/

And this one gave it a great review. Only 200 rounds, but no failures of any kind with various ammo.
My first shots with an R51

Remington sent me an R51 a couple of weeks ago. I took it to the range, shot 200 rounds through it without a single malfunction – using different types of target and personal defense ammo. We’re not done yet. I plan on shooting the R51 several hundred more times and coming back with a more thorough review. I’m going to holster it and bag it and drop down with it and shoot from prone and kneeling and I may even move from target to target on occasion.
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http://www.womensoutdoornews.com/2016/08/review-remington-r-51-gen-2/

So it just seems tyat some people are more interested in condemning this new gun right of the launch pad than seeing how well it really works for many reviewers. Why, don't know for sure. Just wanting to pioe on after tye problems of the first design? Or is it like many with the "poison" T brand, just a hatred of tye Company?
I do agree that it is unfortunate the gun requires such a miserable take down procedure, and even worse reassembly. It's also a shame that the one reviewer seems to have maybe gotten a lemon. But I still think there needs to be a lot more input from owners of the R51 Gen2 before it's condemned into extinction.
But hey, maybe I should be selfishly hoping for more bad reviews. The price might come down a few bucks on the other ont that lityle shoo in Northern Misdouri has before I get up there.:D
 
Only 200 rounds, but no failures of any kind with various ammo.
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200 rds isn't that much, as I think you realize. I also place more faith in reviews where the reviewers bought the pistol rather than having it sent to them by the company. But maybe that pistol will run just fine forever. Again, for me personally my point this whole time has been concerns about QC and what I see so far seems to suggest that some pistols may be fine and some certainly aren't. That falls right into the domain of QC.

So it just seems tyat some people are more interested in condemning this new gun right of the launch pad than seeing how well it really works for many reviewers. Why, don't know for sure. Just wanting to pioe on after tye problems of the first design? Or is it like many with the "poison" T brand, just a hatred of tye Company?
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You have a different view of it than me. I see people rightfully being skeptical of the re-release of a product that had serious enough issues the first time around to be recalled. They're understandably cautious about the re-release and the reports so far aren't, again imo, confidence building. If we combine the reviews you mentioned with the ones shared then at best we have pretty mixed reviews. The reality is there are any number of similar pistols in terms of size and capacity, albeit not of the Pedersen design, that seem to have a higher success rate than what we've seen so far. A pistol marketed for self defense that isn't reliable is sort of non-starter for a lot of folks.

Maybe Remington will work it out in the end. I do think it's pretty disingenuous to suggest that those of us pointing out noted issues so far are only doing so because we like discord, we "hate" Remington, or hate to see another company's products sell other than our "chosen" brand. That's starting to enter into denial territory as far as I'm concerned.
 
Thanks, I'll go watch that video now. And didn't know about the takedown and reassembly stuff.

Hope you know I don't have any bias toward Remington outside of the QC issues I thought they had gotten past. Have an 870P myself that's a very good gun.

Once again, it'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
 
The takedown and reassembly isn't bad. Just use the Remington video as a guide on how to do it vs. some guy on youtube fighting with his gun. It's not the simplest takedown out there, but it's not nearly as hard as some of the videos out there make it seem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK3Wtng5od8

Frankly, the takedown isn't what I would be concerned about after watching a few video reviews.

Here's another video of someone taking the gun down properly.

https://youtu.be/SYgyDv_SzDU
 
John, thanks for the reference to the video's, I just received notice from my FFL buddy that my R 51 will be shipped on monday. I have quite a bit of 9mm around to see how it functions including defensive ammo, 115 gr white box, 115 Rem, a bucket of reloads i made for my AR in 9mm and just bought three hundred of the new Winchester steel 9mm.
I certainly will not seek the 500 rd comparison but a few hundred are destined for the first outing. Will report back....good or bad.
 
R51 - the Positive

It fits my hand well enough and the bore is a low one.

The slide is easy to rack, as some older or weaker shooters may need.

The trigger pull and sear release are good enough for me, at that price range.

Bart Noir
 
R51 - The Negative (with a big qualification)

The big qualification is that I only examined 2 of them in a shop. I have no shooting history with this pistol.

The sales guy, the experienced gunsmith, and I managed to get 2 pistols to fail to reset for a second shot, about 4 out of 10 times. This was while we were using the standard reset check of pulling the trigger to drop the hammer, and then NOT releasing the trigger. The side was pulled all the way back, and only then was the trigger released a bit to check for a noticeable reset.

Which was not there. There was no indication of a trigger reset. But this is not the problem, as I could learn that. The 1911 doesn't give much reset indication.

The real problem was about 4 out 10 times we could not get those guns to dry-fire a second time. And there is no question that we were keeping the grip safety firmly squeezed.

The gunsmith shortly had one apart (he had to look at the manual :D) and found the disconnector was not pushed up into the slide with much spring force. That might have been our problem.

Ibmikey, I would like to know if your R51 has this issue when dry-firing it. I see it as possible that the shocking excitement of really firing the pistol can maybe keep this issue from showing up.

I like the gun, except for this issue.

Bart Noir
 
by firing in my test barrel in the basement but will give it a thorough firing test in the private gated rock quarry where i normally shoot. This pistol is my first purchase where I have not even handled one....loved my original 51 but a buddy conned me out of it:D
 
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