Remington 700 5r mil spec

if your interested why the laws are the way they are google, Port Arthur massacre In the state Tasmania or Martin Bryant who was the shooter. the laws were only changed after this happened. A gross over reaction by the government brought about by public (non shooters). but at least a reaction. some governments do nothing after similar events. it was all done directly as a result of this particular incident
 
Fatboy5108 said:
also the over all crime rate isnt what i would call low, i was refering to gun crime in particular
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Low compared to the U.S. We can buy an AR-15 at the supermarket most places in the U.S. but most of the population seems to understand that availability of guns to law abiding citizens has nothing to do with crime (in a negative way).

It seems to me that gun culture would mix well with the Australian people.
 
well thats what we get for having a liberal government at the time of the port arthur massacre, the shooter was using so called "Assault weapons" with high capacity magazines. it was unfortunate that the media focused on the type of weapons used. due to the government being close to an election at that time they used it to grab votes by banning the type of guns used in the shooting. many thousands of guns got crushed. including my Mini14 and my SKS. dont get me wrong im not for the ban of these weapons. to add further the price of your typical ar15 here in australia is between 5000-10,000 dollars which the average australian even with the appropriate licence could never afford. i dont know what median waged you hve read on the internet but most people earn on average 35 to 45 k per year. we pay three times the price for all firearms here as you do in america. EG remington 7615 police goes for around $1600-1700. want a Sig Saur p226 X5 your looking at around $2500 for the entry level .
 
also gun culture does mix well, but we do not have concealed carry, no firearm can be used solely for self defence. the gun culture in this country is all about sport, hunting and environmental pest control. there is no owning a firearm without good cause. good cause for owning a firearm in this country can be considered by the following as listed by the firearms branch of the police. How to Obtain your Firearms Licence in South Australia


Step One – How to understand the licensing System:

The first step is to understand the types of licensing. That way deepening on the type of firearm and use you have for it, it will then determine what training you will require.

A firearms licence is first broken up into classes (A, B, C, D & H). Each class represents different types of firearm.

Class A: Air rifles, air guns, and paintball firearms; 22 rimfire rifles (not self-loading); single or double barrel shotguns (not self-loading or pump action) and include receivers.
Class B: Muzzle loading firearms (not being handguns); revolving chamber rifles; centrefire (not self-loading); break action shotgun/rifle combinations. All other firearms not class A firearms (not being prescribed firearms, handguns, self-loading or pump action shotguns), including receivers.
Class C: Self loading rimfire rifles with a magazine capacity no greater than 10 rounds; self loading shotguns with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 round; pump action shotguns with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 rounds, and includes receivers.
Class D: Self loading rimfire rifles with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds; self loading centrefire rifles; self loading shotguns with a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds and a pump action shotgun with a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and including receivers.
Class H: All handguns (including Air pistols)
Each class is then broken up into purpose of use (POU):

POU 1. Club Use (Competition / Practice at a club)
POU 2. Target Shooting (General sighting in)
POU 3. Hunting
POU 4. Paintball
POU 5. Primary Production
POU 6. Security Industry
POU 7. Other as Provided by Registrar (For example Safety/Licence Trainer)
 
Step Two: Police Background Check

The Police station will then forward the application to Firearms Branch through the internal mail system. Firearms Branch will then undertake a background check to consider if you are a suitable person to hold a firearms licence.


If you are considered a suitable person, Firearms Branch will send you a 'training letter' advising you of the training you will be required to undertake. The training locations will differ depending on the POU. For Example:

For POU 1 – The applicant is to join a shooting club to undertake the training requirements within the club. The club's training officer will provide you with the relevant information for what is required at that club.
For POU 2, 3 & 4 - A T.A.F.E. course is required, information of venues of courses is supplied with the 'training letter'.
For POU 6 - a list of authorised security training instructors will be supplied with the 'training letter'. Justification will also include proof of employment with a licensed security company.
 
Step Three – Training

The next step for the applicant is to undertake the training. The training varies depending on the class of firearm involved and its purpose of use.

POU 1 – Club Use
Training for POU 1 (Club use) is done through your local club. Each SSAA club has a training instructor, which can assist you in obtaining a POU1 licence.

Please note, A club can only train for the classes of firearm it shoots. For example,

A Rimfire and or air rifle club can only train for A1;
A pistol club can only train for H1;
Please make sure that the club shoots the types of matches you are interested in prior to undertaking the training. Most SSAA clubs shoot A, B and H so it should not be a problem.

Training consists of both practical and theory sessions. These requirements will vary depending on the class of firearm and local club by-laws. Please check with your club for details.

Once the applicant has completed the training, the club will sign off the licence application for the appropriate classes (A, B and or H).



POU 2, 3 & 4 – Target Use, Hunting and Paintball
Training for POU 2, 3 and or 4 is done through TAFE SA. These courses are one full day and have a theory and practical component. The courses are held at Regency plus a number of country areas across the state.

For further information about TAFE SA Courses, phone 1800 882 661 or TAFE SA Courses: HYPERLINK



A couple of items to note prior to starting any training for POU 2, 3 & 4.

Applicants wishing to apply for hunting on their licence will also need to apply for a hunting permit with the Department of Environment and Heritage (DEH). Information and permit applications can be found at Information: DEH HYPERLINK

Applicants wishing to start shooting in club competitions will need to updated their licence to include POU1.
 
Four – Competition of Training

When justifications and training certificates are received from either the Club, TAFE, employer ect, Firearms Branch will send you a 'data card', with which you attend at a photo point, again provide your 100 points of identification and pay the prescribed licence fee. Upon payment, an 'interim licence' will be issued.

Current Licence Fees- SAPOL HYPERLINK


You should receive your photographic licence within 28 days.


Graduated Access section 15A (4b) – Class H
Please note for handguns.

Legislation now prohibits the purchase handguns within the first 6 months from the granting of a Class H firearms licence for club use.
For the second 6 months of a new Class H licence for club use, purchase is restricted to the following;
1 air or gas operated pistol or a .22 calibre pistol or 1 centre-fire pistol or,
1 air or gas operated pistol and 1 .22 calibre pistol or,
1 air or gas operated pistol and 1 centre-fire pistol
This restriction does not apply to muzzle loading or percussion cap and ball handguns. Refer section 15A (4e).
The club secretary may keep the graduated access provisions in mind when issuing purchase chits however the Adjudication staff within Firearms Branch will monitor this aspect.
 
Fatboy5108 said:
Four – Competition of Training

When justifications and training certificates are received from either the Club, TAFE, employer ect, Firearms Branch will send you a 'data card', with which you attend at a photo point, again provide your 100 points of identification and pay the prescribed licence fee. Upon payment, an 'interim licence' will be issued.

Current Licence Fees- SAPOL HYPERLINK


You should receive your photographic licence within 28 days.


Graduated Access section 15A (4b) – Class H
Please note for handguns.

Legislation now prohibits the purchase handguns within the first 6 months from the granting of a Class H firearms licence for club use.
For the second 6 months of a new Class H licence for club use, purchase is restricted to the following;
1 air or gas operated pistol or a .22 calibre pistol or 1 centre-fire pistol or,
1 air or gas operated pistol and 1 .22 calibre pistol or,
1 air or gas operated pistol and 1 centre-fire pistol
This restriction does not apply to muzzle loading or percussion cap and ball handguns. Refer section 15A (4e).
The club secretary may keep the graduated access provisions in mind when issuing purchase chits however the Adjudication staff within Firearms Branch will monitor this aspect.
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Thank you very much for discussing this. I have always had an admiration for Aussie culture and it seems every Australian I have met has been super-nice. Met a couple on my honeymoon and the guy was my Australian doppelganger and he invited us to come and visit him. He couldn't believe we had never eaten lamb-chops.

I had the same discussion with my part-time neighbor from Canada (a snowbird here in Arizona and a benchrest competitor). He is a rangemaster and president of his gun club at home so it was really shocking to find out that he supports the oppressive gun laws in Canada.

We may have a warrior-patriot disposition here in the United States that just doesn't exist anywhere else. It would be a bloody day if the government tried a gun-confiscation here. I have never been one that feels the need to defend my life by constantly carrying a gun, but I and certainly most gun guys I know would defend our gun-rights with our lives. The NRA/ILA deserves a lot of credit for standing between us and those who would see our public disarmed and without them we might have already had to give our lives in defense of our right to keep and bear arms.

I hope you guys in Australia will keep your government from further disarming its citizens and hopefully reverse some of what's already been done. If you're content with the way things are, just look at the United Kingdom as an example of what can happen on the heels of an individual tragedy when politicians use emotions for their own political agenda. We fight that nonsense every time there's a tragedy here.
 
yes lamb chops are awesome but getting expensive now, we have in recent years been able to get more recognition of the sport and its requirements. the SSAA (Sporting Shooters Association of Australia) is doing great things in promoting it as a safe and family friendly sport as us shooters all know it to be. I want my Son to be able to have the enjoyment that i had as a kid and as a newly licensed shooter i intend to have for many years to come. I hope ive given you some insight into the Australian shooting culture. although hard to fully understand how things really work without living here. I would also like to add its not like we are under the tyranny of the government. but its more like a sport than anything else here and always has been. the rules above might make it sound like we are being over controlled but thats basically the licensing process. once you have a gun as long as you have the appropriate license you can pretty much take part in any form of shooting you like. the restrictions to the type of firearms we can obtain although seem strict they dont stop us from owning guns or limit us to how many guns we can own. and realistically you dont need a semi auto or a pump action shotgun to hunt. One gun in the right hands is just as effective as the next for the uses we have here. when it comes to personal defense people in Australia are more likely to use their hands or other types o weapons other than guns which includes criminals in most cases. Im not sure why its just the culture over here. we would rather have a punch up than kill each other.
 
I've had mine about 4 years now. It sits in an AICS II chassis and I replaced the trigger with a Rifle Basix. It's been a great F Class rifle up to 1000 yards using 178 AMAX. With hand loads it is easy sub 1/2 MOA. Accuracy wise it's as good as you can shoot it. The 'standard' I use for accuracy is an older Rem 700 PSS that is a laser! Overall the 5R is well within the same ballpark. What I love the most is how easy it cleans! I have yet to see any substantial fouling or copper buildup. Is it more expensive? Sure. But it's as nice looking as it is accurate, which to me has value. Other brands may be as accurate, but have no where near the same curb appeal.
 
yes gk1 your quite right the thread has been derailed a little. i will say that I was using cheap federal ammo 180gr soft points and shooting from a bipod. i do need to get a cheek riser because im finding trouble getting a good cheek weld but thats more to do with my dimensions than the rifle. my next shootisnt for about a month or so and im going to dial the scope in as last time i was only breaking in the barrel and we were short on time. One thing im wondering is if anyone has heard the rumor that the barrels on this gun are made by krieger? the fellow i went with to the range suggested he had heard this and he is also the owner of a rifle that has a krieger barrel. after seeing how easliy my barel cleaned up and how well the whole unit had performed he was thinking more and more that they are krieger barrels??? any thoughts people????
 
Remington makes their own barrels.

It all date back to sniper rifle M24 that Remington won contract for with 5r barrels. Remington originally went to Boots Obermeyer for the barrels. He didn't want to take the contract to produce the barrels, but came to an agreement with Remington to let them produce it. They then went to Mike Rock to produce the barrels while they competed for the contract (to avoid the massive tooling costs if they were unsuccessful). Once they won the contract, they developed the tooling and resubmitted the M24, with their own barrel, for testing. The Remington barrels were successful in meeting all the Army's specified requirements. The M24s were then produced with Remington barrels.

Kreiger only been making 5r barrel about 5yrs now.
 
While there's been a lot of desire to get a 5R rifled barrel since the early 1970's when Boots Obermeyer made them popular, they're not any more accurate than standard 4 or 6 groove conventionally rifled barrels.

Does anyone have good specs info for the military M24 sniper rifle's accuracy? From what I've seen some say its supposed to hold .35 MOA for at lest 10,000 rounds; don't know what range that's at. I find that a long way past reality when the best barrels used in rail guns testing the best bullets from .308 Win cases last about 3,000 rounds with that level of accuracy at 200 yards.
 
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Have you given any thought to a Howa 1500 with heavy barrel 20 in or a 24 in. These are exceptionally accurate and will save you some hard earned money.
 

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I understand the idea of wanting a 5R barrel, it's used by the military, doesn't (in theory) deform the bullet as much, etc. But is it really the most accurate barrel you're going to get on a 700? Or is it just really more of a novelty to say you have a 5r barrel?

How many bench rest competitors are using 5r barrels?

Hmmm, pretty sure everyone already knows the answers to these questions.
 
I don't think any uniform rifling methods deforms bullets any differently across their types. If one type did deform bullets more, they would never be popular in competition. I don't know of any rifling type that's prooved better.
 
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You guys may have missed the posts i made in reference to the accuracy of the rifle in question, firstly i have purchased the rifle allready, secondly during barrel break in after only 6 rounds down range i was able to get shots 7,8 and 9 to create on single hole in the target at 100m. then repeat that same performance over and over with three shot groups being .25 moa or better. i was and still am extremely shocked at how well it performed using the cheap federal 180gr softpoint ammo and shooting off a bipod. i have not yet sighted my scope in properly which im doing sometime in may when i get time as i was restricted for time the day i went to break in the barrel. i still managed to get roughly 25 or 26 shots down range. i had the rangemaster verify the rifles performance through a spotting scope as im a new shooter and didnt think i would be capable of doing that well. the barrel cleaned up extremly easy throughout break in with hardly any copper fouling
 
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