Remington 700 5r mil spec

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Fatboy5108

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Im sure there are some people on this forum who have had first hand experience with this rifle. Im thinking about getting one to use for long range target/hunting. Any feedback from those of you who have owned or fired one would be great.
 
Folks buying commercial rifles for long range anything have had best results with Savage rifles. They're often seen on the firing line in matches. Not too many Remington's at all.
 
They are excellent rifles better finished than Savage and are what the others are compared to.You will have to spend thousands more to get a rifle that shoots better.
 
My experience with Savage rifles is that they foul rather quickly degrading the accuracy. Haven't had that problem. Recent trip to the range with my 700 ADL Varmint in 308 yielded a best group of .307 at 200yds. Only thin done to the rifle was cutting the barrel from 26' to 20" and having a recessed target crown.
 
I'm a Remington guy, but I must admit alot of my shooting buddies are Savage. When I first got into benchrest shooting, Remington was the way to go. Savage with their triggers & barrels have come a long way based on a production rifle. Can't go wrong with either one IMO. I believe the 5r mil spec. has less stress on the bullet & less fouling problems.
 
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Conventional rifling with 4 or 6 grooves has been used to win more matches and set more records than 5R ones.

I'm convinced fouling's the result of poor powder choice plus incomplete burning and rough bore surfaces for the most part. Rifling type's of little consequence.

Note also that the "best group" shot with any rifle is typically the smallest one ever shot. How much bigger all the rest are is more important for accuracy. What would you rather have, a rifle that shoot bullets between 2 and 9 units of measure or between 3 and 6? But it's fashionable to only talk about smallest groups.
 
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You could do a lot worse than the 5R. Don't own one, but my gunsmith shoots competition and uses one. I'm impressed with what he has done with his.

Remington vs Savage

In my experience you are less likely to get a bad Savage. Because of their method of construction it is easier to get all of the parts put together straight and square than other guns. As a result they should be cheaper, not necessarily more accurate.

I've never seen one that was actually any more accurate than any other brand as long as you got a good rifle from the other makers. I'll concede that it requires more skill to build off other actions and as a result prices will be higher.
 
[BNote also that the "best group" shot with any rifle is typically the smallest one ever shot. How much bigger all the rest are is more important for accuracy.][/B]

Actually, this rifle has consistently shot at .5moa. I tweaked the load a little bit and took it out to see how it would do. Was actually surprised considering the 10* temps and my hands hurting like heck.

[BI'm convinced fouling's the result of poor powder choice plus incomplete burning and rough bore surfaces for the most part. Rifling type's of little consequence.

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Not so sure on that as this factory ammo was used at the time. A buddy with a 300 Win Mag has the exact same problems with accuracy tanking between10 and 15 shots fired.

Maybe they need to be shot extensively to wear in the rifling.
 
Savage, unless you're willing to spend more $$ to have the action trued. I'm convinced Savage's floating bolthead has at least something to do with it...

Look at their Model 12 LRP. Uses the target action, target Accu-Trigger, and HS Precision stock in either .260 or 6.5 Creed. If I had a grand to spend on a rifle, that I could take out of the box and shoot at 1K, this would be it.

Not knocking the 700- it's just that it might take some more work to get it there. The 700 also has more aftermarket parts support, though Savage is no slouch there, either.
 
5R is the most impressive factory rifle i've owned. I've yet to see a bad report of one. Scott at Snipercountrypx just got some back in stock. You can't go wrong with one.

I've ran 155gr scenars, 168gr SMKs, 175gr BT LRs, and now Hornady match 178gr BTHP, all have shot 1/2 MOA at least. I say go for it, it's an excellent platform to get started into long range shooting.

Though mine has been bedded into a McM A5 i've done nothing to really accurize the rifle like truing/blueprinting or getting another barrel. I do plan on putting a bartlein on it but i couldn't ask for more from a factory rifle.

Here was my latest group with 45.5gr of varget and Hornady 178gr BTHP. Also IMHO long range shooting is so much more dependent on the shooter than the rifle that it's ridiculous. I would happily bet that Terry Cross or some other shooter of his caliber can out shoot me day in day out with my 5R while he gave me one of his KMW rifles.

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Savage does make an accurate rifle as everyone as suggesting as well. I just can't stand the look, nothing against savage they're just not aesthetically pleasing IMO.

Here is my 5R as it is now.
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Yall quit with the Savage - Remmington debate.


The OP asked your opinion on the 5R rifling. Not what you think about Savages!


Let's stay on topic here. I'm sure there are plenty of other threads discussing Savage vs Remmington





Ike
 
Ok, so to stay on topic, I have a Savage 10 with factory 18" barrel and WITH factory 5R rifling and I would buy it again and again over any Remington, even if the Rem was cheaper...

But to each his own.

Longranger, tell me how many Remington factory rifles have won world championship long range competitions...
 
My T/C Venture shot sub-moa its first group with factory ammo no less. It has 5R rifling. Love Remingtons, hate savages. Cant wait to get some handloads downrange to see how accurate this rifle really is.
 
Precision_shooter not to come to aid remington by any means but rifles are a small part of the equation when it comes to distance shooting, majority of the skill is the shooters ability to shoot, read wind, adjust accordingly. Sure the elements need to be there: an accurate rifle, good optics, consistent quality ammunition. After that it's up to the shooter to operate them appropriately.

My argument is what makes 1/2 MOA from one rifle better than the other? For me it's a negligible difference as it doesn't. Furthermore Tex is right this isn't a 700 vs savage thread and if you can point me in the direction of a bad 5R i'd be impressed. I've yet to see one that wont shoot. Remington has quality control issues here and there, since their adoption by Cerberus things aren't necessarily what they used to be but they're not bad by any means and every 5R that i've seen has been exceptionally accurate for a factory rifle.
 
Longranger, tell me how many Remington factory rifles have won world championship long range competitions...
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And your question has exactly what to do with the OP's ? You will have to spend significantly more $ to get a rifle that shoots better, true and accurate statement.;)
 
I do plan on putting a bartlein on it
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Why would you replace the barrel on a gun that you paid extra money for to get the 5R designated barrel?

Why not find a older donor action and build a rifle from it and keep the 5R well, a 5R?
 
My 5R will routinely shoot 0.25 moa at 100 yards. I shot a 15 round group at 100 yards a month ago with my match loads. There were only 8 definable holes in the target. Either I missed completely 7 times or they all went in the same hole.

This rifle makes me look like a competent shooter.
 
And your question has exactly what to do with the OP's ? You will have to spend significantly more $ to get a rifle that shoots better, true and accurate statement.
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Has to do with your post #3. Claiming the 5R is what all others are compared to and that you have to spend thousands more to get better accuracy. Both are false opinions. The falseness is backed up by the fact that the best shooters in world don't buy a Remington 5R for competition. Most go the way of a custom build, but others do shoot factory Savage rifles and win world championships with them.

Black ops 2, I agree that the rifle is a small part of the equation, but if the shooter can't depend on the rifle to put a bullet where it should go shot after shot then the best shooter in the world will not be able to keep competing.
 
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Why would you replace the barrel on a gun that you paid extra money for to get the 5R designated barrel?

Why not find a older donor action and build a rifle from it and keep the 5R well, a 5R?
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Because i wanted to able to shoot as i went. Rather than going ground up custom from the get go because i didn't have the money at the time. I'll be replacing it with a Bartlein 5R 11.25 GAP #7 contour. It's not any time soon of course but that is the reason i didn't start with a ground up build. Though i would probably sell the barrel to a friend.

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Black ops 2, I agree that the rifle is a small part of the equation, but if the shooter can't depend on the rifle to put a bullet where it should go shot after shot then the best shooter in the world will not be able to keep competing.
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Agreed Precision_Shooter i just don't think that the particular model 700 we're discussing is in that category. I know on average the number of savage rifles that shoot 1/2 MOA are most likely greater than that of remington. I've just yet to see a 5R that doesn't shoot.
 
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