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There is no religion or lack of religion that has a monopoly on truth.

Truth lives independent of all else.

When we encounter, understand and embrace a truth we grow. It does not matter whether you claim that the truth comes from God, some mystical cosmic force, or the toad you found in your boots this morning. If it is truth it will stand on it's own, in spite of the heckling and boo-hooing that it is not. Truth never departs from us, we depart from it.

Many people claim to be Christians, but excercise only the outward appearance of "Christianity". And on the other side of the coin, many who claim no affiliation with any particular religion live the truth that they have found more "religiously" than the hypocrites.

The one truth that unites us on this board and in the field of battle (for it is) is the truth that we have the Right to self-defense from our enemies both foreign and domestic!

BTW, What was the predominant religion back in the days of our founding fathers'?

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
 
Spectre,
You are right Religion is not about peace. In fact Christ said I will set brother against brother, Father against son etc.

However what I attempted to say, earlier (very Poorly, I'm afraid) Is that insulting Christians, Social or truely born again, by statements like "I hold my Nose and Vote with the Christian right" isn't going to win the Fence sitting Christians to the RKBA side any more than, that supposed Christian calling Agnostics Commies made the Agnostic whant to be a Christian.
We are Missionaries for a Cause. The Cause is Freedom. Of what good is insulting potential allies, even if you disagree with other beliefs. I will preach Salvation to any that wish to learn. I will preach Freedom to all. Freedon my friends is another type of Salvation for this nation, and for your right to worship or not worship as you choose.
Just don't forget we are all missionaries here.

[This message has been edited by Raymond VanDerLinden (edited March 25, 2000).]
 
Raymond, most fence-sitting Christians aren't part of the religious right.
John, the predominant religion in the days of our Founding Fathers was probably Hinduism. Oh you meant HERE! Sorry...
 
What is your solution? Since I can't be more wrong, you have my full attention. There won't be any fence sitters when they turn on the fence!
 
FNG, I never said I had a solution. I am arguing the nature of the problem. Personally, I think a big part of the problem is that human beings didn't develop to be bunched together by the millions in cities...we are, by nature, hunter-gatherers of the plains. I don't know that there is a solution to this.
 
I am a Christian. I make mistakes along the way, and never pretend to be perfect. I do not waste my time ramming my beliefs down the throats of others, or insulting their choices.

I believe that if I set a good example, others will take interest and follow if they are willing. I can't make the choice for them, and I won't hate them for choosing differently than I did, because I am not supposed to judge. In my opinion, life is a test and we have free will so that we can pass or fail on our own.

I thank God that I live in America, and want to keep this nation soveriegn and see our rights preserved. You can all choose to thank whomever or whatever you want to, but please don't lose sight of the goal.

But the real question is: How much pro-RKBA activity could have been accomplished for our common good with all the effort this thread has expended on debating our differences?

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"Is your church BATF approved?"
 
RVDL,

(Nice to see ya 'round, BTW! :)) I believe, based on my extensive study of the Bible, that the RKBA movement has much in common with Biblical teachings. Specifically, I believe the Bible indicates positive behaviours and ideas, such as invidual responsibility, and generosity. I further believe that Jesus is shown as having indicated that, not only one's actions, but one's thoughts, even are important.

I think the problem for many of us- I know, definitely, for me- is not that anyone wants to seek truth, but that some have the arrogance to presume to know what type of relationship I should have with the universe. By so doing, they are going against clear Biblical instruction given by Paul to leave those who are attempting to do the right thing the heck alone. In fact, the progression goes something like this: Paul indicates that we don't have much time and much use it wisely (ROMAN 13:12), tells us to be gentle to those who are weak and feel the need to argue about what they believe (ROMAN 14:1), indicates that it's pretty darn audacious for us to "judge another man's servant" (ROMAN 14:4), and finally ends by saying, once again, that it is intent that is most important:
ROMAN 14:16) Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
(ROMAN 14:17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
(ROMAN 14:18) For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
(ROMAN 14:19) Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace,
and things wherewith one may edify another.
(ROMAN 14:20) For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
1 COR 14:38
2 TIM 2:16
 
Actually, the pilgrims who effectively opened the european doorway (they landed on the moon and stayed) to this continent were Calvanists(Christians) escaping religious persecutions. Hindus?

RikWriter, You are too smart to get so bent out of shape over Christians. They are not and do not wish to be your oppressor. They want you to take care of yourself and yours. If you are in need, you will not be required to cough up dignity in the transaction of aid to a fellow human. They don't want to legislate your moral behavior, short of obvious natural law. Law enforcement: Remember that Hammurabic Code that predates Christianity? The rest is your own Karma ticket. All of this stuff, including Thucydydides' and Pericles' versions of Athenian (Greek) democracy contributed to what the Founders set sail, and the ship we must right. I don't care if my shipmate is Hindu as long as we know the course. Plus, I like to talk Shiva sometimes with my gun buddies. :)

JohnAZ/.. You and I think alike.
 
G-Freeman, I think you may be operating under some false assumptions. I am not bent out of shape about Christianity, although the subject does interest me as I was a Christian for about twenty years. I don't have to be "bent out of shape" about a subject to comment on it.
 
It's about that time again. If someone can come up with (and stick to) a firearms-related continuation to this topic, go for it.
 
RikWriter, Sorry Man ,Let us assume I have made a gross misconception. It would not be the first :), sincerely. Let's go back to being active on many of our favorite forums (TFL, glocktalk, ar15.com, TRT), listening to
American Freedom Network, and participating in many of the local TRT events, it is my
impression that the majority of people in the pro-gun movement are Christian. Is this
true?
NOPE. NOT THE CASE
 
The religious right isn't Christianity.

When I hear the words "religious right", I think Jim Crowe, Suffrage, prohibition, lynchings, slavery, senator McCarthy, immigration quotas on nonwhites, internment camps, abortion clinic bombings, intolerance, hate, and fear mongering.

I hold my nose too, but no F'n way am I voting for anyone who supports the religious right. I just might go to hell for that.
 
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