Reliability contest, Glock vs Sig??

Well, I read the whole report from the FBI and it looked on the money to me. Here's another interesting test performed by the National Law Enforcement and Corrections Technology Center.
http://www.nlectc.org/pdffiles/pistolsepr2000.pdf

Seems that in these tests, Glock entered the most pistol models (9mm, 40, 357SIG, 45) and had zero failures, whereas the Kimber, Kahr, Taurus and SIG pistols failed (with less entries). Very interesting indeed.
 
Ok, I have an idea. Someone send me one of each model of Glock and one of each model of Sig. I will be happy to test all of these thoroughly over the next few years and post my ersults here. Any takers?

:)
 
I love my SIG 226 in 9mm, and I love my Glocks ( G33, G23, G21 )...

I can`t claim any malfunctions from either camp. ( I used to own a SIG 228 also.)

Got rid of my SIG 220 in .45auto as it didn`t fit my hand properly...

Other than that, I have and still due use both types for Duty Weapons.
They are both AWESOME!
JMHO



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BB - Was the FBI comparing Sig Pros or Sig Classics to the Glock? If they found that the Glock is more reliable than the Pro, I wouldn't be awfully surprised.
 
ether, the article is in a magazine at home. It was at least a year old, I don't really remember which model it was other than it being .40S&W.

I'm not dissing Sigs, mind you, I'm just putting info out there. I like Glocks myself, Sig never lit my candle really, except the 210, which is one fine shootin iron.

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Hangfar, I have shot a lot of Glock 17s; I own a Sig P220 and I would like to say the Sig is the better but in my experience this isn't true. My Sig P220 collects lead, ergo I don't shoot lead in it, and it doesn't like 200gr jacketed semi-wadcutters. I own a Glock 19 that, like all of my Glocks except my 30, has never missed a beat. My Glock 30 is like my Sig P220 in that it doesn't like 200gr jacketed semi-wadcutters. I think the Glock's finish holds up better than a Sig. Regards, Richard.
 
Looking at the NLECTC report, I'm surprised at the headspace problem with the .40 P229. The sad performance of the Kimber .40 is another and, to me, even greater surprise.
 
Apparently, the magazines are what were giving the Kimber so many problems. I heard Kimber doesn't supply their pistols with the best mags, but I was surprised too.
 
I've had my Sig 226 for over 10 yrs without any problems. My 228 has only several hundreds of rds thru it, but no problems with it either. However, a couple of thousand rds thru my Glock 23 and have never had a malfunction with it either! I trust any one of them with my life.
 
Sigs: mine are P239, 226, and 229, all in .40. Each had at least 1,200 rounds put through, and 229 -- around 2,000. The only problems I experienced were with 229 with the first 200 - 250 rounds -- they were all failures to feed. Roughly one per a box of 50. Not a single hiccup with 239 or 226. I haven't had any mulfuctions with 229 past 250 rounds.

The only lesson I've taken from this is that I, personally, won't carry a Sig until it's had at least 200 - 250 rounds shot. Many of you will tell me that your Sig has worked flawlessly out of the box, but it's what happened on my experience, so I'll stick to it.

Glocks: have 26 and 23. The former has been 100% reliable, and the latter is catching up -- I've only put about 600 - 700 rounds through it as opposed to 1,200 - 1,300 rounds through the 26.

All five sidearms are a bunch I'll bet my life on with no hesitation. So, to answer which is more reliable, Sig or Glock, I'd say if we're talking about "it shoots with each pull of the trigger"-reliability, both are equal. Finish is another matter, though -- Glocks win hands down.
 
My ego doesn't depend on my handgun being better than everyone elses so feel free to disagree with my opinion.

I own several Glocks and carry one or two daily. I also own a Sig P228. My Glock 22 has 2500 rounds through it with zero malfunctions. My P228 has about 1000 with zero malfunctions.

I don't own a P220 but my best friend and fellow deputy used to (till he traded it for a Glock 23). He is an outstanding marksman and maintains his weapons impeccably.

Nevertheless, he experienced several malfunctions with his P220. I have seen the P220s of two other deputies fail either during practice or qualification with factory-fresh Federal ammo.

I don't believe that this is an indictment of the Sig P220 but rather a reminder that we must insure that our individual weapon is reliable. I'm sticking with my Glock 22 which has proven itself in my mind. That's all that matters.
 
SIG 220 was designed for the Swiss military in 9mm w a service life of at least 10,000 rounds. Also offered in 45/38 Super.

The 225 was designed for the German Polizei trials in the 70s w a service life of at least 10,000 rounds.

A 226 is a hicap 220. A 228 is a hicap 225 and/or a chopped 226. A 229 is a beefed up 228... 229s have fired over 20,000 rounds OK.

OTOH, Baltimore County PD broke 52 of 1400 SIG 9s, switched to sig pros in 40.

OTOF (foot), Tezas DPS contract specified a service life of 40,000 for frame/slide, and they bought SIGs.

In my experience the SIGs get the reliability nod over the Glocks, but it is close, and both are good enough. The Glocks are more durable.

The last FBI trials were for the 40s and the Glock was the only pistol run through the whole test since it was the apparent winner of the suitability test by a sample group of agents. Other guns have had a more limited T&E and been approved, the SIG is one of them. So is the S&W Sigma (the first 40 approved by the FBI BTW). :)

The INS/Border Patrol did a head to head shoot off with Glock, SIG, Ruger, S&W, Beretta, and the Beretta won. The SIG was an approved option, the Glock is not.

The DEA tested and approved the SIG, Glock, and HK compacts.

The HK compacts did so well, the INS/BP bought 2000 of them for plainclothes agents, passing over the optional SIG (and Glock again).

Lottsa good guns out there. Get the one you like/shoot best, don't worry too much about who else uses/likes it, or why/why not.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BrokenArrow:
A 226 is a hicap 220.[/quote]

No, it's not -- these sidearms have different dimensions.
 
Emin,
Please elaborate. What dimensions are so different between the 220 and the 226, other than the grip?

Both pistols fit in the same leather, the slide external dimensions are pretty much identical (if not identical- I don't have the dimensions before me) and the trigger guards are pretty much identical.

To me, the grip on the 220 feels kind of long and thin while the 226 feels round and fat (that's probably a lousy description, but the best I can do right now).

In response to this topic, I have not used a Glock or a SIG firing factory ammo that has had a major failure. I've seen stovepipes and such from both, but most of these failures were due to poor maintenance, limp-wristing or other similar operator error. I think the Glock is hands-down more durable. Documented testing of a Glock 17 shooting over 350k rounds is very impressive, to me.
 
SIG Sauer P220:

Length 7.8"
Height 5.6"
Width 1.4"

SIG Sauer P226:

Length 7.7"
Height 5.5"
Width 1.5"

The differences, as you can see, are seemingly subtle; it was these little subtleties, however, that forced me to returned a holster for my Kahr MK40 that was originally made for MK9. And that's despite the fact many holster-making companies list the same holster for the two.

For the above Sigs, most gear makers do, in fact, list the same holster -- if it fits, fine. But just to answer your question, cleanerPA, I've decided to include these little charts above.

Regards,

Emin
 
Custom holster makers craft weapon specific holsters for the P220 and P226. Lou Alessi also makes different holsters for the P228 and the P229, although these two are supposely identical, but they're not. The P229's slide is just a tad thicker and the slide serrations are completely different.

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I choose Sig.

I know that glocks problems are supposed to be corrected but I still cant lose the memory of my classmate bending down and putting his empty Glock 21 between his knees trying to pull the mag free. he had sweaty hands and the mag wouldn't drop free on it's own. SCARY! What if he'd been in a REAL gunfight?

The mags spring from the mag well of my sig and with a little flip of the wrist as I pull my next mag, the gun is in perfect position to receive it's recharge.
 
Emin,
Thanks for the info. I haven't gotten any Kramer or Rosen holsters, so I guess I've missed out on the good stuff. I don't carry a P220 or P226 on a regular basis, so it's not a major concern to me, but you're absolutely right, if I were carrying one on a regular basis, I'd get a holster that is properly fitted for each gun.
 
Gonzo_308
YOur friends problem was a sofware issue and not a hardware issue. If you gun does not drop its mags free redily you train for a different kind of mag change. There are ways to deal with stick mags all of which are taught in most gun schools.
PAT

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