Regal Cinemas Ban Carrying of Guns

I really don't like being told where i can and can't take a gun loaded or empty and all army and marine veterans should feel the same way if they had to carry one in the service, that being said, why would anyone want to carry a gun in the store or movies?? coild be looking for trouble.
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Because it is more secure on my person than unattended in my vehicle? Because it's also possible I could end up needing it between the door of the theater/store and my car, especially if I'm getting out of a movie at midnight? People do get mugged, raped, and killed in parking garages.

Seriously, as long as it's concealed (and legal) I see no reason why my carrying a weapon into a place of business should be an issue.

At the same time, it is private property and they do have the right to restrict me from doing so. Though I favor the idea of this GFZLA, as if they exercise that right they should also have the responsibility to protect me.
 
As JuanCarlos so adroitly expressed, your main exposure is not, OF COURSE, sitting in a theater or restaurant, but getting to and from their entrances. Haven't noticed any signs posted on theaters in my state; will ignore them if they're there next time I go to the movie. I've carried on conversations with cops at the movies, while I was carrying concealed. They didn't notice; doubt that anybody else will, either.

If I'm "made" in the lobby and asked to leave, I will, having secured a refund. What are the chances that I'll be "made" sitting in a darkened theater?
 
Because it is more secure on my person than unattended in my vehicle? Because it's also possible I could end up needing it between the door of the theater/store and my car, especially if I'm getting out of a movie at midnight? People do get mugged, raped, and killed in parking garages.

Seriously, as long as it's concealed (and legal) I see no reason why my carrying a weapon into a place of business should be an issue.
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At the same time, it is private property and they do have the right to restrict me from doing so. Though I favor the idea of this GFZLA, as if they exercise that right they should also have the responsibility to protect me.
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And that is something that they really can't do. The only way they are going to convince me that they are able to take up the responsibility to protect me is if they have two security guards to stand/sit on either side of me from the time I leave my car to go in the theater to the time I leave and go out to my car.

They are missing the point anyway, the old saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people." is what needs to be said. (but they probably know that anyway, we are probably missing their point, they are just hollywood liberals who don't like any people having guns except LE)
 
why would anyone want to carry a gun in the store or movies?
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I'll assume this isn't a joke.

For the same reason people in the military carry them onto a battlefield.. because those places can be dangerous and because people get killed there (movies, stores, parking lots, etc).
 
I have to agree with mvpel on this one. They’ve “done the math”. In a way, I feel sorry for the theaters (or any other business) with the problem of allowing CCW or not. They are screwed either way. If they don’t allow legal CCW, then only the BG’s will be armed and the theater may be liable for any incident that may arise for failing to “provide security” for their customers. If they do allow legal CCW, then they are still liable for “security” of their unarmed patrons, plus any “overspray” injuries that one of their legal CCW patrons may cause in “defending” himself. (And don’t try to tell me that in an intense SD situation all CCW’s are cool enough, or even good enough, to assure that when they dump to slide lock, all shots will hit, and stop in, the BG.) It seems to me that they are opting on the “fewer guns”, the less of a chance of an incident, theory.
I don’t know what the numbers are, but I would imagine that out of a random sample of business patrons, the vast majority will be unarmed and the businesses are merely playing to the majority. One way to counter this attitude has already been mentioned. Don’t spend your money there and let them know why.
(However, don’t expect them to pay much attention until the number of complaining CCW’s starts to approach some significant numbers.)
 
They are missing the point anyway, the old saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people." is what needs to be said. (but they probably know that anyway, we are probably missing their point, they are just hollywood liberals who don't like any people having guns except LE)
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Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

That, or the old Chris Rock twist...guns don't kill people, stupid muthaf***as with guns kill people.

On a more serious note, I don't think it's a Hollywood liberal thing...many businesses having nothing to do with Hollywood have the same policies. I think it's a lawyer thing; a lawyer adviced a C-level executive that, by not disallowing guns on their property, they may expose themselves to liability in the event of a shooting on their property. And they certainly aren't likely to be any more or less liable for any shootings that occur by banning them. It's a no-brainer, from a corporate standpoint.

I personally thought it was funny hearing, on a Henry Rollins CD, about his experience over in Russia. Apparently he went into a hotel, or casino, or somewhere (I believe casino), and they had a "weapon check," complete with little cards they give you to claim your weapon that have pictures of guns and knives on them. Even this would seem to be a better idea than disallowing them in general...though it isn't as if a theater would have the manpower or facilities to do such a thing. I believe theaters themselves (unlike movie studios) are not high-margin businesses.

EDIT: I'm trying to remember which comedian it was (maybe Chris Rock again?) talking about why you never go into a club with metal detectors. Because guess where all the people with guns are? Outside. Waiting for you. Because now they know you ain't got no guns!
 
LOL It WAS CHRIS ROCK. My cousin had that CD LOL!! Remember that well.

I like the one where he was commenting on the Columbine shooters and how everyone was making excuses for them and trying figure out why they did what they did "why can't dey just beee craz'eh!" "People ah sayin' 'dey didn't have no friends.' Der was six of them!!! I didn't have six friends when I was in high school! I ain't got six friends now!!! And also people are sayin' 'what were they listenin too, it was the music they listened to that made them do it.' Who cares what kinda music dey was listenin' to! Ain't nobody ask what was Hitler listenin' to!!! Nobody ask what was in his CD player!!!"

Anyway. That makes sense. Another frivolous lawsuit in the making either way you slice it. Regardlesss, if I am disallowed from carrying side anywhere by the choice of the business, then I cease from frequenting their establishment
 
...plus any “overspray” injuries that one of their legal CCW patrons may cause in “defending” himself.
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Yeah, cause you know, some CCW might pump 31 shots in the general direction of their attacker if someone shouts "gun!"
 
For the same reason people in the military carry them onto a battlefield.. because those places can be dangerous and because people get killed there (movies, stores, parking lots, etc).
come on now, i watch the news and read some papers and don't see where to many people are getting killed comming out of the movies. every now and again it happends just like a snake bite.. I believe in gun ownership and hunting but if everyone in America starts arming them selves just to go shopping or to the movies, we'll need more undertakers. people will be shooting each other for cutting them off getting out of the parking lot.
 
come on now, i watch the news and read some papers and don't see where to many people are getting killed comming out of the movies. every now and again it happends just like a snake bite.. I believe in gun ownership and hunting but if everyone in America starts arming them selves just to go shopping or to the movies, we'll need more undertakers. people will be shooting each other for cutting them off getting out of the parking lot.
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Up here a CCW isn't even required to keep a gun concealed in your vehicle, and we don't have people shooting each other out on the roads or in theater parking lots.

Besides which, most places require permits for concealed carry, and the process tends to weed out most of those who would not do so responsibly.

And maybe not too many people get killed coming out of the movies or stores, but it does happen. People also get mugged, raped, assaulted. Not all stores and theaters are in good neighborhoods, and sometimes in downtown areas you end up parking in garages or lots that are downright creepy at oh-dark-thirty.

It sure would be nice if there was something written down suggesting I have the right to keep and bear arms in such situations.

Oh......wait.
 
come on now, i watch the news and read some papers and don't see where to many people are getting killed comming out of the movies.
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Every movie theater is required by law to have a certain number of fire extinguishers in well-marked locations throughout the building, and extensive fire-suppression systems. I watch the news and read some papers and don't see where too many movie theaters ever have caught on fire.

Same idea.

If you're going somewhere you expect to need a gun, you shouldn't go there in the first place. So the obvious corrolary to that is that if you're going to carry a defensive firearm in the first place, you should carry it everywhere you are legally permitted.

As for movie theater shootings:

http://www.fright.com/edge/realshooting.html
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/5293303/detail.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1651014/posts

You usually never know until you're neck deep in it, and when you're neck deep in it is not the time to sit there wishing you'd decided to wear your pistol.
 
come on now, i watch the news and read some papers and don't see where to many people are getting killed comming out of the movies. every now and again it happends just like a snake bite..
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How often do you hear of a policeman being shot and killed? Almost never. When it does happen, you do hear about it on the news (that's why it is such big news) but only because it is so rare. The average policeman never has to pull his gun in his life much less kill or be killed.
I could probably put my gun in the drawer and go around the rest of my life without a problem. BUT, there is the chance that you will need it the gun for yourself or someone else. Better to be prepared. It's not an inconvinence.
BUT, my dad doesn't typically carry on his person everywhere for similar reasons as you stated. I disagree with him, but that's his business. By the same token, it's nobody's business but my own if I choose to carry my weapon.


I believe in gun ownership and hunting but if everyone in America starts arming them selves just to go shopping or to the movies, we'll need more undertakers. people will be shooting each other for cutting them off getting out of the parking lot.
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You really believe that? If more people carried guns (especially openly), the less likely they would be to use it against each other. Besides, whatever I might think about somebody cutting me off in the parking lot or such, the last thing that crosses my mind (and I can get pretty ticked in Houston traffic)....in fact it doesnt cross my mind AT ALL, is pulling my gun and murdering them. If such a person is mad....excuse me....CRAZY enough to shoot someone, then they are crazy enough to run them off the road, to run over them, to get out and stab them, to get out and beat them to death with a tire iron. There are a million things you can do to murder somebody in an instant flash of anger than shoot them.
 
come on now, i watch the news and read some papers and don't see where to many people are getting killed
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How many is too many? If you're the one killed, it may or may not be "too many" for you. If *I* am the one killed, it certainly is too many.

WA just doesn't get it. This IS the real battle. It's about mental conditioning of the ummm, "average person" (no I didn't use the word) on the street, as to the way things oughtta be, which affects the way they VOTE. Places like this MUST be boycotted until they change their policies. So I thank you Doug for bringing this to our attention. I for one won't go there now, knowing this - there's one around the corner. It's so easy to fight this battle, by simply spending money at the competitor, so why *wouldn't* we take this simple easy step to promote our rights. Saying "save your energy" for the real battle is like saying to our GIs - ok, now go and sleep & eat & be lazy, without training for 5 years straight, to get ready for war. No, quite the contrary, you need to hone your skills and your psyche by fighting the easy, small battles such as this. In fact, it's perfect casualty-free training for the "real battles", to the extent there may be more important ones. But really, there's nothing more important than the hearts and minds of the fence-sitting average joe q. public, and that's what determines who gets into office.

And, WA, if you KNOW what's coming next, the good news is you're *starting* to get it; the bad news is, there's no need to post the nonsensical contrary opinion at all, now is there? You are free to correct it from now on, however, thank you. :)

Doug, is your dog named Porkchop, by the way? JK, man. :p

And danged right we need gun check-in stations, at all gun-free zones, most notably public government buildings! They essentially have one of these at the federal courthouse in the Eastern District of Oklahoma in Muskogee. There's a little box you put your metal stuff in before walking up to the metal dectors and security guards. I'm sure that pocket knives and cell phones were contemplated more so than guns, but you could use it for your gun.
 
I believe in gun ownership and hunting but if everyone in America starts arming them selves just to go shopping or to the movies, we'll need more undertakers. people will be shooting each other for cutting them off getting out of the parking lot.
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Have you been reading the Brady Center's propaganda?

In every state where the right to carry defensive firearms is restored, starting with Florida in 1987, the violent crime rate heads downward. They said Florida would be a bloodbath in 1987, turn from the Sunshine State into the Gunshine State - but you're more likely to be attacked by a gator there than a licensed carrier.

Vermont has had no restrictions on carrying openly or concealed for decades, and consistently has the lowest violent crime rate in the nation, lower than Sweden.

New Hampshire has had a concealed-carry licensing system since 1920 or so, and is always found along with Vermont at the bottom of the violent crime rate lists.

If people would be shooting each other over traffic incidents, it would have happened by now. But that doesn't stop the anti-gun nuts from repeating that same old tired crap every time another state passes a shall-issue concealed carry law.

But it's still tired crap, and doesn't merit serious consideration by a thinking gun owner.
 
I believe in gun ownership and hunting but if everyone in America starts arming them selves just to go shopping or to the movies, we'll need more undertakers. people will be shooting each other for cutting them off getting out of the parking lot.
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There we go people. That is the reason ALL gun legislation gets passed. "Sportsman" who consider those who advocate evil black rifles or CCW paranoid. The type who ally themselves with "reasonable" gun laws that leave their deer rifle or trap gun alone. Some people just don't understand the fight. Talk to some of the folks in NO who considerred themselves sporstmen shooters and see how their views have changed.

As far as the movie theater... if I do not see a metal detector they can kiss my tuckass.
 
Musketeer, yep. I'd bet he's not an NRA member either - one of those guys that don't lift a finger for 2A rights - am I correct?

Funny, that time after time after time after time, doom and gloom is predicted when a CCW or stand your ground law is passed, but nothing bad EVER happens - nothing happens except crime is decreased.
 
In every state where the right to carry defensive firearms is restored, starting with Florida in 1987, the violent crime rate heads downward. .
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Thats as spurious a statistical correlation as that provided by the other side.

WA just doesn't get it. This IS the real battle. It's about mental conditioning of the ummm, "average person" (no I didn't use the word) on the street, as to the way things oughtta be, which affects the way they VOTE. Places like this MUST be boycotted until they change their policies.
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No, its not about mental conditioning. Its about the right of the property owner to make the rules as he sees fit andthe right to make such rules as will protect them from liability.

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No, you just don't get it. Listen, please.

Fact/Premise #1. Property owner has right to do whatever he/she/it damn well pleases, as you say. No argument there! They are 100% free to post the "stupid signs" (no guns allowed signs - only stupid people put them up and only stupid people obey them). Now, you stop here on Step 1 without following through and thinking of the ramifications. But the analysis *doesn't end here*!

Fact/Premise #2. *IFF* and when Fact #1 happens, and we do NOTHING, the state of affairs becomes such that the stupid signs spread like a cancer and eventually they are everywhere - this conditions the sheeple to think "guns are bad, period" - not "guns might help save lives". This results in people voting for politicians who agree that "guns are bad", not "guns can be good".

Fact/Premise #3. *IFF* and when, on the other hand, Fact #1 happens, and we cause a change in their policy, by hitting them in their pocketbooks with a boycott - something which is incredibly EASY to do, since all businesses have competitors - and that causes them to remove said stupid signs and quit conditioning the sheeple to think guns are bad. We have to *raise the cost* of putting up stupid signs (our boycott) ABOVE the cost of not having stupid signs (increased insurance premiums). This results in better pols and better laws and more safety for all of us.

Repeating that Fact #1 is true over and over doesn't address the argument at all. Instead, why don't you point out which premise of mine that you think is flawed, if any, so we can address that, rather than repeating one of the premises that we both already agree on (property rights)? Ignoring Facts #2 and #3 doesn't make them go away or make them any less true. Otherwise, do us a favor - go ahead and spend YOUR money at the traitors, but kindly quit "helping" us who believe in the RKBA. Silence is golden, if ya know what I mean.

If someone is too lazy to help out vis-a-vis simple boycotts, then I doubt they would lift a finger for the RKBA in any other way either, let alone something that requires real effort.
 
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