Forums are full of trolls unfortunately.Why is everyone getting g so but hurt about a gun scope combo you won't be hunting with hay if he likes it then good if you don't then don't go out and buy it. I am also amazed at how so meany think you need a scope as or more expensive then your rifle to kill deer I mean how meany actually kill deer past the ability of a $100 scope I Shure never had any problems with Nikon optics if you do then don't buy them
