Recommend a handy woods rifle.

Olympus

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Here's the deal, I just sold one of my deer rifles last night and I need to replace it. Currently, my deer rifles include a .243, a .257 Roberts, and a .270. The 243 is my favorite, a Ruger No.1, but it's heavy and long and not ideal for woods hunting and still pretty. I don't like pulling it up in trees stands and whacking limbs and metal with it. The 257 is another No.1 RSI that is so stunningly beautiful I have never shot it, much less carried it hunting. It's the perfect compact size though. Maybe when I get some box blinds built in the future I'll start carrying it. The 270 is an older A-bolt that was a gift from my dad. I never really liked it though. The trigger is heavy and the recoil is more than I like. I have hunted with it in the past though, but for my woods hunting, it's really more caliber than necessary I feel.

My woods are typical midwest hardwoods. Thicker in some places and average in others. Maximum shot distances would be 125-150 yards. I do all of my hunting from ladder stands. Essentially I'm looking for a new rifle in a low recoiling caliber that is small, compact, and handy. I'm looking for either a bolt action or a single shot. I have a few ideas, but none of them scream perfect for me. I like a classic walnut stock look and not synthetic.

Option 1: Ruger Hawkeye Compact 243. I love the 243, I already reload for it, I have about 100 rounds already loaded, I have 300 Hornady 95gr SST bullets read to be loaded, plenty of brass, and plenty of 4350 powder. The 16.5" barrel loses a good bit of velocity, but for my woods gun, it would still be plenty. The compact size is definitely handy to carry through the woods and pull up by rope to my stand. I've never owned a Ruger Hawkeye or M77 though.

Option 2: Ruger American Ranch Rifle 300 Blackout with a Boyd's stock. I already reload for the 300BLK in my AR, so I have plenty of bullets, brass, powder, and dies already. The gun is short and handy and light recoiling. I'm not sure how practical buying a second stock would be, but I just don't like synthetic stocks.

Option 3: CZ 527 7.62x39. Everyone raves about this gun who owns one. I already own another 527 in 22 Hornet so I'm familiar with the platform. It's short and handy and would make a good woods gun. I've never really liked the looks of the extended magazine though. And I don't shoot 7.62x39, so that's another caliber to add to my list and I'm really trying not to get too spread out with calibers.

Option 4: T/C Contender G2 walnut stock 7-30 Waters. I used to shoot the Encore rifles son I'm familiar with them. Would be another short, handy rifle for woods use. Caliber is definitely interesting and unique, but another caliber to add to my list and pretty much exclusive to reloading, which I'm not against, but that's new dies I'll need, bullets, brass, and powder which I don't have. Also I hated the way the point of the trigger guard would dig into my back. I'd sling my Encore across my back diagnolly when I'd have to ride my atv and it would hurt like all get out. So I'm not crazy about that part.

But those are my current three options ranked accordingly. I'm open to all thoughts and opinions on those three or any other options. Main goals are short, handy, and light recoiling. Bonus points for calibers I already own. My budget is $800ish.
 
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"...have about 100 rounds already..." New rifle means you need to work up the load for it. What you have now will be safe but was loaded for another rifle.
"...trigger is heavy..." That can be fixed. So can the excessive felt recoil.
The standard Hawkeye has a 22" barrel and weighs 7 lbs. with a 13.5" LOP. The Compact weighs 6 pounds, but has a 12.5" LOP. That will probably be far too short. Mind you, the 13.5" might be too. Easy enough to fix without spending a huge pile of money though. Anyway, light weight with a short butt will increase the felt recoil.
MSRP for either is out of your budget anyway. Used, maybe. Used isn't an ugly word. Most shops don't sell at the MSRP though.
The American in an entry level hunting rifle. Synthetic stock only. $144 for a Boyd's laminate.
Most of Boyd's stocks are laminates. Laminates tend to be heavy. Boyd's doesn't give weights on their site.
"...don't like pulling it up in trees stands..." Sling it.
 
If you already reload for the 300BLK then I would go with that. Otherwise a good 30-30 always serves you well in the thick Midwest woods.
 
"...have about 100 rounds already..." New rifle means you need to work up the load for it. What you have now will be safe but was loaded for another rifle.
"...trigger is heavy..." That can be fixed. So can the excessive felt recoil.
The standard Hawkeye has a 22" barrel and weighs 7 lbs. with a 13.5" LOP. The Compact weighs 6 pounds, but has a 12.5" LOP. That will probably be far too short. Mind you, the 13.5" might be too. Easy enough to fix without spending a huge pile of money though. Anyway, light weight with a short butt will increase the felt recoil.
MSRP for either is out of your budget anyway. Used, maybe. Used isn't an ugly word. Most shops don't sell at the MSRP though.
The American in an entry level hunting rifle. Synthetic stock only. $144 for a Boyd's laminate.
Most of Boyd's stocks are laminates. Laminates tend to be heavy. Boyd's doesn't give weights on their site.
"...don't like pulling it up in trees stands..." Sling it.
The Hawkeye Compact is well within my budget. The 100 rounds I have will get me up and running right off the bat,and while not specifically tailored for the gun, they'll likely shoot as good as a randomly picked box of factory ammo. In any case, it will go towards getting trigger time in on a new gun. And I have plenty of 6mm bullets to reload as well as plenty of brass and powder. The length of pull might prove to be too short though. Although it may come down to a give/take. Can I sacrifice some LOP to get a shorter, handier rifle that ultimately will be shot once, maybe twice, in practical application from the tree stand each year? Will the LOP actuallu be an advantage when I need to wear the thicker, heavier camo coats when the weather is cold?
 
Take a look at the remington model 7cdl. I really like that chambered in 7mm08. Minimum recoil and plenty effective for most any game. Comes in a 20inch barrel which seems plenty handy to me.
 
a remington sps 700 short action with a 2.5x8 leupold in 7mm08 is my woods rifle and will reach out if needed. eastbank.
 
you can't beat the CZ 527

Shoots very accurate with surplus ammo. cheap ammo at around $5.60 for a box of 125 grain SP ammo.

Good gun with POA to 225 yards.


steve
 
Hawkeye

I bought a 260 Compact for my DIL and she loves it. With your lineup, I'd suggest a 7-08 since the 260 isn't offered any more.
 
"...is well within my budget..." MSRP is over $900. Shop around though. The 'S' in MSRP means 'Suggested'.
I don't know why you're quoting MSRP. I've already confirmed that the gun is within my budget. I wouldn't have included it if it weren't.
 
I bought a 260 Compact for my DIL and she loves it. With your lineup, I'd suggest a 7-08 since the 260 isn't offered any more.
I was trying to stay with a caliber I already shoot or at the very least, one that wasn't particularly close to another caliber that I already have. The 7-08 doesn't really give me much that I can't get from the 270 I have.
 
Since you really want to stay with walnut the Ruger Compact is probably the best option. I went with 308 since I already had other 308 rifles, but anything from 243 on up is fine. The 260 or 6.5 Creedmoor would be a top contender.

This is what I use. A Ruger Predator in 308. I cut off the end of the barrel in the photo, but it has a short 18" medium contour target barrel. As shown it is 6 3/4 lbs and shoots well enough out to 300 yards even with the small scope to take deer size game.

What ever you do I really like a 1-4X scope for woods hunting, no more than a 2-7X. Up close on 1X they are very fast and 4X is enough for ranges up to at least 300 yards.

 
Walnut will always be my first choice, but I'm not opposed to a laminated stock like Boyds, something more subdued though.

I looked at some ballistic calculators and ran the numbers for the 300BLK and they really aren't that impressive. I ran using 110gr V-Max bullets at 2375fps, which is what Hornady rates their factory ammo at. After 100 yards, the round bleeds speed and energy pretty quickly.
 
Henry is about to market something right up your alley. A single shot break action 243. Unlike H&Rs Handi-rifle the new Henry is a-bit more pleasing to the eye having a Fancy grade of walnut chosen for its stock & forearm and no open barrel sights. Such a Henry rifle is in my future too. In a caliber I can buck up too >in its shooting_ i.e. 45-70.
 
Funny...

When I hear the term 'Woods Rifle', the last things to come to mind would be a bolt or single shot...

100-150 yards 'Woods Rifle' just screams .30-30, in a lever...

.35 Rem, and .44 Mag would enter my mind before .243, 300 Blackout, or 7-30 Waters...

I feel so old...
 
If you get the CZ 527 in 7.62x39...don't forget to order the special scope mounts and rings --- That is...if you plain to use a scope. Get a short to medium length scope, that does not conflict with the rear sight; unless you remove the rear sight.

I heard stories on social media{before I bought my 7.62x39 CZ527 two months ago}, about stocks cracking near the rear tang. Mine cracked, after approx. 500 rounds thru it --- About 1/4" wide x 1/2" long x 1/4" deep chip from the left side of the rear tang. I had the rifle sent back to the U.S., CZ repair company about 2 weeks ago.
 
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