Really upset with S&W Quality Control and Customer service!

Having worked in customer service for the past 6+ years, allow me to explain a couple of things. First off, unless you have sent in the warranty card that came with your revolver and S&W has already received that card (unlikely given the timeframe you describe) they have absolutely no way of knowing what guns you own. There is no national handgun registry and the only information that S&W has about guns they produce are what distributor they are shipped to.

Because of this, S&W has only your word that you did indeed purchase the gun new and that the grips are defective. Having worked in customer service, I can tell you that it is not uncommon for people to fabricate very elaborate stories in order to get things for free. If S&W simply took the word of everyone who ever called them demanding replacement parts or warranty service, they would quickly be out of business.

Given these facts, I don't really think that its all that unreasonable for them to at least want to examine the defective grips before sending you new ones. If they simply sent out new grips with no questions asked, they would have no way to ensure that the grips in question had not been ruined by the owner or that you are not simply someone who bought a standard 686 (which does not come with the grips in the picture) and wants a set of fancy grips for free.

As for your experience on the phone, as has been mentioned S&W's customer service line has a rather detailed phone tree with numerous automated prompts so, by the time you talk to a real person, there shouldn't be much doubt about what company you've called. I suspect that the reason it takes 48 hours to send you the email is that Mel has to submit a ticket to the proper departments within the company and your claim has to be processed. S&W isn't a small business and I very much doubt that Mel can simply email you the label, walk across the room, and drop your new grips in an envelope. As for Mel laughing, that could have been any number of things. Mel could have been thinking to himself "if only it were that simple" or one of his co-workers could have been making funny faces at him for all you know. To be perfectly honest, if one of my customers was still irate and demanding more even after I'd offered to replace a part I've never even seen at absolutely no cost to the customer, I'd probably have to resist the urge to chuckle a bit myself.

As for S&W quality control, please understand that S&W did not make the grips in question. S&W hasn't made their own revolver grips in several decades but rather contracts with outside sources such as Hogue, Pachmayr, Ahrends, Altamont, and Eagle. Anytime you have a product in which subcontractors are used for various parts, the incidence of QC issues will be increased. If S&W is going to subcontract anything, I would prefer it be the grips because that is a part that, by and large, does not affect the function of the gun and, should I not like the stock grips, can be easily and relatively inexpensively changed to something that better suits my taste.

If you think that S&W's customer service is substandard, you're certainly more than free to buy guns from other companies in the future. However, if you're this upset over the situation you describe, I think that there are a lot of other manufacturers that will disappoint you as well.
 
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While it should have been caught at the factory I don't see what the big deal is. I had the same problem once. I just shorted the screw so the grips were tight & nothing stuck thru the other side.

5 minutes and problem solved no big deal.
 
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Rivers: You are talking about S&W. Had it been Taurus you would have been overwhelmed with empathy and agreement. S&W does no wrong. I really think you got a bad rep. Hopefully he is not representative of the majority of S&W CS. BTW, I am not knocking S&W. There is lousy service everywhere you look it seems. Good luck
 
What online source did you buy it from?
Your first call should have been to the person who sold it to you as they are the one who "screwed you".

That said, the grip screw should not extend out past the grips like that. Without more facts I doubt the grips are original.

Jim
 
I cant see the pictures as clearly as I'd like... But I dont think those are factory stocks. As far as being a new gun... Unless it comes from the distributor you'll never know. A gun can remain "NIB", and still have changed hands several times from dealer to dealer. If it was purchased from a private person... It's not new.. well maybe new to him.
 
Rivers2k, never question anything Smith and Wesson builds or question the way their customer service operates, they are the GODSEND of the Handgun industry and do nothing wrong! Everybody knows that!:eek:
 
You state the screw is sticking out of the side of the grip and it will not tighten any further. Okay, give me a chance. Loosen the screw about two complete turns or so til the screw tip is backed into the grip. Store in a warm, dry, safe, place about 24 hours. The gap in the grip will probally close. Not always but, most of the time. Back in the 80's when everyone was putting the aftermarket grips on their wheelguns everyone thought they had to really torque down those screws, wrong.......The screws were to be tightened to the point of closing the gap and securing the grip firmly to the frame, that is all. Many people tightened those suckers all the way down and had the same problem you have. Give it a chance....:D
Talked to a real jerk about eleven years ago with savage myself. Had a big problem with a brand new FV-12 target rifle. Then I had a real problem with savage. I should have realized I had a problem with someone being a jerk but, I was so mad I didn't. I still have that expensive piece of junk. I should have called back and demanded to talk to a manager but, I didn't. It was my mistake. Try backing off the screw on the grip, was a common problem back when the rubber grips came out.......good luck......:D
 
Thanks all for your suggestions, I truly appreciate it. I am sure the gun will work out just fine after I get this grip thing straightened out. I ordered some Hogue rubber grips so i could take out shooting this weekend. I look forward to posting a range report.
 
It is hard to tell from your photos but I don't think those are S&W factory grips and I don't think they are even for that size frame. S&W has made some funky grips over the years but I have never seen anything like this come out of the factory. The fact that the screw is sticking through that far on the other side tells me those are not the correct grips for that frame. At any rate you should like the Hogues.(assuming you get the right size.)
 
This may sound stupid, have you just tried completely removing the grips and reinstalling them. Sounds overly simple, I know. I have worked a lot more with motorcycles than guns. Sometimes, things just hang up in a way that you cant even see and reinstalling has it fitting perfect. The kind of thing that makes you scratch your head and say "I dunno". Worth a try. Btw, I agree, sounds like you didn't exactly get to talk to the employee of the month.
 
I have a dumb question, and I admit I haven't read the entire thread. Do the grips pull together nicely when the screw is tightened to the point where it protrudes? Could it be as simple as a wrong length grip screw? If so, do you have the means to shorten it?

On another note, I feel your pain, my friend. I have not purchased a gun in many years that had no flaws whatsoever, with the exception of one (Colt 1911). We're talking probably a dozen or so, mostly handguns, and some of them fairly high end (Kimber, Sig, S&W, Ruger, Marlin). I am getting thicker skinned about it, but quality is fast becoming a thing of the past.
 
*** Happy to report this issues has been resolved by another S&W rep. Joe from S&W reached out to me and was pleasant and professional. They are shipping me out new grips at no charge***
 
That's good news. Are those Talo grips, by the way? I have always thought those look very cool. I really like the Hogue rubber grips though for shooting purposes, so maybe you should still get the Hogues too and see which you like better. Once again, you got a great gun, go shoot the snot out of it!
 
Monster B- They are the Talo grips I thought they looked really cool also. What really made me want it is for the 7 shot unfluted cylinder. I already bought some hogues so I could use them this weekend. I will let you know how it shoots on Monday I plan on putting a bunch of rounds through it Saturday.
 
I carry a 640. That said- I hate S&W's CS and think they stink. Hopefully I never have to deal with em again. It was a headache. Two non functioning guns.
 
Zombieslayer...Would you please explain why you have 2 non-functioning S&W`s ?? Why couldn`t S&W fix them ??..just curious
 
After read this thread, I will never buy another S&W again. At least with Taurus you get good quality and good CS. S&Ws are just taurus wannabes.

Even Comanche puts their grips on right.
 
Should have bought a Glock, then you would never have to call the CS department.:) JK.

I would have bought a third party grip and stuffed those in a drawer. Third parties usually offer something better than the factory ones.
 
If Glock made a .357 revolver I might have considered but they don't :) I have a few semi autos but I really wanted another revolver.
 
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