RCBS Rockchucker Supreme Made in China

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Take a look at a die, box it comes in and instructions sheet. Nowhere do I see a country of manufacture.

I AM a buy USA guy.

I just replaced my RCBS dies with Redding, which are made in NY.

As a tidbit, please check out Vista Outdoor at http://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/

For those who didn't know, you will be as surprised at I was at what is owned by this company.
 
Vista Outdoors is the recreational side of ATK. Most folks know the ammo maker Federal as being owned by ATK and in the last few years, they bought up some other companies.
It's a global economy, and a myriad of buying and selling has some companies now owned by other firms from other countries. Smithfield ham was bought by the Chinese; gonna stop eating bacon? The Saudi's now own the biggest refinery in Houston; are you going to stop buying gas?

As long as the product is made well and the company stands behind it; that is what counts.
 
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Sir: What counts for you just may not be all that counts for me. Please do not lecture me on what, from whom, why and how I should purchase anything.
 
No one is lecturing anyone, just pointing the fallacy of only buying US made stuff. You wouldn't be on this forum without Chinese components in your computer.
 
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"...No one is lecturing anyone, just pointing the fallacy of only buying US made stuff...."

Sir: Again, you just don't get the difference in opinion and that nobody needs a smarmy attitude from anyone else here or elsewhere.
 
I nearly swallowed by tongue when I learned that Buck was China made now.
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Wrong.
Buck knives are still made in the U.S.A. I was just at their factory tour a few months ago in Post Falls and watched them made. Look at their website. Every knife on it that I looked at just now, says "Made in the U.S.A."

http://www.buckknives.com/

Unless something happened within the last week or so and they have not updated their website or something, this is not correct.

Now, perhaps they have some small components like bolsters or rivets made overseas, but that is much different than saying
 
I've never had a scope or other optic made in China that was worth a damn IMO. I think it's crazy coo-coo that anything we manufacture would use critical components made in China. They're simply doing the same thing to us that Japan did in the 70's.
 
"...I'm a 20 year Vet. of a 20 year Vet. Every time we filled a body bag we would put an American flag over it. Your damn right made in America means something to me. And if you ever received one of those folded flags it would mean something to you too...."

Indeed and thank you for your service to our country.
 
The days of a single company making all the parts and assembling them under one roof have been gone for 40 years. "Made in USA" means different things to different people, but is mostly used to trigger an emotional response. What it actually means is "Assembled in USA" from parts made all around the world. Somebody mentioned computers being "made in China". Hardly. The motherboard alone will have semiconductors made in 15-35 countries. They are assembled in China.

Every company that makes a product consisting of multiple parts will engineer and design all of those parts. Once the prototypes have been made into the official production design, then they contract those parts from different venders who can produce lime parts in mass quantities. Plastics come from one place, sheet metal stampings somewhere else, machined parts form yet another place. Depending on the complexity of the finished product, it may have modules assembled at individual locations, and the final product assembled in another other location or locations. The company's engineers design and supply the specs to all the different suppliers. They assist in making sure the supplier can meet those specs, and are responsible for rejecting the parts that do not. If suppliers cannot meet the specs, then new suppliers are found.

Assembly operations require the least amount of technical knowledge, which is why they can usually be performed in places where GOOD labor is least costly. American companies put their capital into design and engineering, and building prototypes, and in organizing complex manufacturing systems with many suppliers and operations through the country and the world. The days of high paid, unskilled, uneducated union assembler are gone.

Your RCBS press is designed in the USA, assembled in China, from parts made round the world, that RCBS ensures meet all the specifications imposed by RCBS engineers. If quality is reduced, its because RCBS has reduced its quality standards for their venders, and not because a supplier or vender has made the decision.
 
Made in the USA means a heck of a lot if you do machine work. Machine on or weld on some of this "FINE" Chinese junk and you will know exactly what I mean. Just a few weeks ago I had some mild Chinese steel that I was trying to weld and it was a nightmare. It was about as bad as trying to weld Cast Iron. Spitting, splattering, ton of slag, burning through like crazy at the amperage it should have welded at. The last four Chinese gear boxes I put on leaked within a week. But, the people I was doing the work for did not want to pay for US made gear boxes. Now they can have their leaky Chinese junk dumping oil everywhere.
 
Sir: Again, you just don't get the difference in opinion and that nobody needs a smarmy attitude from anyone else here or elsewhere.
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Seems more like YOU get the difference in opinion...........
 
But, the people I was doing the work for did not want to pay for US made gear boxes. Now they can have their leaky Chinese junk dumping oil everywhere.
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Exactly.

The customer chooses and price talks. Whatever comes out of China has been made to a spec that the customer has specified.

So who's to blame? The Chinese factory, the person who ordered them made to that standard or the customer who's driving that demand for cheap parts?

Where I do fault the Chinese is the flooding of the market with cheap steel but that does not mean people have to buy. They choose to.
 
So, a US company gave China the tire specs on the tire that killed a few people a couple years back? China refused to stand good for it. How about the dogs and cats they killed with the contaminated dog food? You have to buy Chinese junk now, but at least be aware of what it is.
 
So, a US company gave China the tire specs on the tire that killed a few people a couple years back?
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If the name of a US based company was on it, then the answer is yes.

How about the dogs and cats they killed with the contaminated dog food?
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How about all the humans that died from eating contaminated "made in USA" food? Not sure what that has to do with the quality of parts or assembly contracted by RCBS with overseas companies.
 
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As long as the product is made well and the company stands behind it; that is what counts.
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This is only partially true--a certain amount of people (such as myself) simply do not want to go through the hassle of taking something off-line, packing, shipping etc and then waiting for undetermined period for undetermined results. I encounter this a lot in the firearms parts industry--just pack it up and ship it back. Even if you're sent back a brand new whatever--you still incur costs. Companies with things like coupons and rebates that require forms and receipts to be mailed know well a percentage of people won't bother with the merry-go-round.

The reasons things are made in China are very simple. Their production input costs are lower than ours. Cheaper labor, primarily, but also cheaper environmental compliance costs as well as cheaper resources. Left to their own devices--and it is a natural thing for a business to do--they will reduce input costs any way they can--because that's what maximizes profit and shareholder value.

Back in the 80's when I got my MBA TQM (total quality management) was the mantra of big business, government and banking. As it turned out, it was mostly a con embraced by management to seduce rank and file workers to believe they were the most valuable asset a business has--which is true--but left out the part that they too could and would be traded out as a mere cog in the march towards maximizing profit.

Simply put, reducing quality of inputs reduces over-all costs. At some point, someone is going to pay the price (consumers with faulty products, environmental pollution, workplace hazards etc.).

As a consumer I no longer trust that a company which produces something made in Bing Dow Jing that it stakes it's reputation on it. Increasingly, that includes American parent companies.

I have developed my own economic theory on the state of American business. My theory is that profits are measured by how fast our landfills are growing with short life-cycle products. :D

But there is a silver lining to all this IMO--and that is in a sea of mediocrity in products and services, which permeates almost everything in our society now IMO--the opportunities for truly superior products and services to stand out has probably never been better. The catch is--is the population so inured to accepting--even desiring --mediocrity, that superiority has a chance of prevailing?
 
Seems like the firearms-specific element here has run its course and we're no longer on the forum's topic area really. I let it run because I think folks have a right to know where things are made, regardless of what they do with that information.
 
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