Rate Glocks

Rate Glocks

  • Excellent

    Votes: 48 36.1%

  • Very Good

    Votes: 47 35.3%

  • Good

    Votes: 16 12.0%

  • Average

    Votes: 11 8.3%

  • Sub Par

    Votes: 2 1.5%

  • Poor

    Votes: 2 1.5%

  • POS

    Votes: 7 5.3%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    133
  • Poll closed .
It's also true that 7-year-old girls sometimes kill themselves because their fathers are careless with pistols that have no safeties.
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I was going to let this one go but I just couldn't because I value life too much. If anyone here is stupid enough to think that an external safety is even remotely designed as a child safety item, tell me where you live now and I'll come shoot you myself. You have no business having guns or children. A safety is designed to give you an extra step before you pull the trigger. It gives you a second to think and it helps protect (slightly) against morons that draw a pistol with their finger on the trigger. Want to protect your child from your gun? KEEP IT AWAY FROM THEM until you EDUCATE THEM. if you do anything else and your child shoots himself/herself with your gun, I hope I am on the jury because I will see to it that you are charged the same as if you pulled the trigger yourself. I am not picking on one person here in particular. Unfortunately, I have seen countless members change their gun because their child reached a certain age and they wanted an external safety. Again, THIS IS NOT WHAT A SAFETY IS FOR. If you want a handgun that is safer around your child when you are acting stupid and neglegent, buy a Taurus or S&W AND USE THE INTEGRATED LOCK. Remember, buy it AND use it. Forget the political issues. I'll think more of you for breaking the boycott and doing something halfway smart for your child's safety than I would for your buying a CZ and handing it to your seven year old to play with.

I am stepping off of my soap box now.
 
I didnt get a chance to vote, but I would say for me, Glocks are excellent. My 26 and 19 are acccurate as hell, I love the ease of breaking them down simple to maintain, simple to operate, no external safeties or extra bells and whistles. reliability has been 100% Easy to make quick rapid followup shots..Very resistant to corrosion..
Thats what i call a perfect carry pistol:D
 
Glocks are ok guns but I simply would not trade any of my Sigs or Hk for them. However, I have noticed a great improvement on them in the last few years. My .02 centz!
 
Talk to most competitive shooters and even against a finely tuned 1911, a Glock can and does win tournaments.

Out to 25 yards, they are equal but beyond that, most tuned 1911s will surpass them. 1911s tend to be race guns with light recoil springs, SWC loads with 3.0 grains of powder, light striker springs compared to a Glock which is a duty gun.

Apples and oranges.

But 1911s are finnicky and need gunsmithing to get them tuned. Glocks don't.

Out to 25 yards, most Glocks and moderately priced 1911s both can shoot 2 inch groups. But that is assuming the shooter knows and implements good marksmenship skills.

I have all kinds of guns and the Glocks are just fine.
 
Folks,

I have done trigger jobs on all of my Glocks and challenge you to pull them. I have trigger pulls very similar in pull tension and smoothness to many tuned 1911s.

Its just that 7 out of 10 Glock owners are afraid to pop open ze tupperware and tweek them.
:barf:

With a $10 (3.5) pound trigger connector, some Flitz metal polish, a Dremel, several trips to GlockTalk and a printout from Glockmeister, and (1.5) hours, most Glocks can have substantially smoothed triggers to the point where they aren't two stage triggers with all safeties in tact.

And if it a competition gun, a reduced power firing pin and the use of some Federal primers and you've got one smooth trigger action.

It can be done and I've felt other good Glock triggers with action jobs on them around Seattle.

;)
 
But 1911s are finnicky and need gunsmithing to get them tuned. Glocks don't.

I think your statement below you contradict yourself greatly in your statement:

With a $10 (3.5) pound trigger connector, some Flitz metal polish, a Dremel, several trips to GlockTalk and a printout from Glockmeister, and (1.5) hours, most Glocks can have substantially smoothed triggers to the point where they aren't two stage triggers with all safeties in tact.

My Kimber didn't need all that work when I bought it.

1911s tend to be race guns with light recoil springs, SWC loads with 3.0 grains of powder, light striker springs compared to a Glock which is a duty gun.

Where are you getting this information from? The 1911 has and still is being used as a "duty" gun. "Most" 1911's are NOT being used as race guns.
 
All of the law enforcement, military, and security agencies I'm aware of in the U.S. are issuing Glocks, Sigs, and HKs.

The FBI HRT team issues Springfield 1911s but they change their duty weapon every three or so years when they get a new firearms instructor. And the FBI is the same outfit whose whimpy agents in the 80s couldn't handle a little recoil from the 10mm Norma round. No credibility with me. Some good folks plagued by dot.comers and boy scout pretending to be agents.

Back on point though, I gather that about 60 percent of American law enforcement agencies are carrying Glocks. And the Sigs and HKs follow.

Who is carrying department issued 1911s? Most departments are issuing 40SW and 9mm because its just as effective with good marksmenship and cheaper to train with and easier to qualify with.

1911s are nice guns but their weight and their hammer don't make them best suited for CCW.

I tune all of my guns because I enjoy working on them. And it only takes me about 30 minutes to do a job. Glocks don't need action jobs.

And why are there so so many 1911 gunsmiths? Many IPSC, IDPA, and plates shooters around here drop another $200-400 on action jobs, recoil springs, guide rods, etc.

Either the current day 1911 was built for tinkering or they need adjustments. But either way, they are not out-the-box drop dead shoot rat turds if they're loaded in the magazine kind of guns like Glocks, Sigs, and HKs are. Sorry.

Just ask yourself, when you look at the parts wall at most gun dealers, why 80-90 percent of those parts are for 1911's. Its a great target platform.

But for the street, its too heavy and prone to jamming when grit gets in there. That's why the U.S. Government doesn't issue them to our servicemen. The Beretta go the contract. But Glock has cut into their market share as well. Many of the Desert Storm soldiers were carrying Glock 21s in 45 ACP for their own protection.

I love 1911s like th enext guy but they are for the range. How many feed ramp polish jobs has your local gunsmith done on 1911s to get them to reliably feed hollowpoints? Several around here do them all of the time.

Good guns but not for self defense.
 
Not defense guns? So Jeff Cooper and Clint Smith are misguided, ill-informed dinosaurs? So the US military was clueless for the 70+ years that the 1911 was the issue sidearm? Please. BTW, the change by the military from the 1911 to the Beretta was because the rest of the NATO countries use the 9mm, not because the 1911 is prone to jamming due to dirt, which it most certainly is not. Certainly, a tight tolerance race gun will jam more, but that is not a carry or defense weapon.

Be careful with generalities, like, "1911s won't feed everything" because generalities are often wrong. In fact, my experience with Glocks is that they jam more often, and jam so tightly they can't be freed at the range. This is just my experience.

The fact is that thousands of 1911s are duty guns and carry guns, and they work astonishingly well. The same can be said of Glocks, it's just that Glocks are ugly and their triggers suck.
 
bronco61:

Man, you have some heart. I love that. Many don't. You have some excellent points.

Invictus, but my head is bloodied and bowed . . .
 
bronco61,

I'm with ya bro.. I started to retort a similar post but refrained as I had already posted a few slightly off topic posts within this thread already. I'm a 1911 fan also and depending on my mood for the day, it's either my Commander or a Glock both of which I totally trust my life to that gets strapped to my hip when I go out and about during daily/nightly activities. Lately a CZ has been tossed into the mix of my carry arsenal after passing my rather rigid test for reliability that instills confidence and peace of mind. It's all good..

Stay ever vigilant,

Rick
 
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