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I voted POS only because they feel like it next to my browing, P7, Sig 220 and 1911...reliable guns though....just not for me...
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Good man!
Stephen Ewing ,
Thank you very much for being honest.
You were the only one so far to have the courage to explain WHY you disliked Glocks. Perhaps after others see that an honest explanation will have no negative repercussions, they will come foward as well to explain why they gave a POS rating. 
Edit: don't shoot it's me , I just noticed you also came out and admitted to voting POS. Thanks for being honest, and supplying a reason.
Stephen Ewing ,
Thank you very much for being honest.
You were the only one so far to have the courage to explain WHY you disliked Glocks. Perhaps after others see that an honest explanation will have no negative repercussions, they will come foward as well to explain why they gave a POS rating. Edit: don't shoot it's me , I just noticed you also came out and admitted to voting POS. Thanks for being honest, and supplying a reason.
Stephen Ewing
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CZ, no courage required for that one. Just confidence in the good folks at TFL, which is never misplaced.
Besides, it's very unhealthy to genuinely annoy the High Priestess of Glock. Especially now that she's got a 1911.
Steve
Besides, it's very unhealthy to genuinely annoy the High Priestess of Glock. Especially now that she's got a 1911.
Steve
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I voted "excellent." My 23 (many thousands of rounds) and my 27 (less than 500 so far) have been very reliable. Does "excellent" mean "without fault?" No, I wouldn't say so. The 23 (older model that had to have its extractor updated) fits my hand very well (big hands); the 27 was too short in the grip until I added Pearce magazine extensions. But they both shoot accurately and consistently with every type of ammo I've put through them.
Does it matter that I'm a shooter rather than a collector? "Excellent" in my mind ties to usability rather than aesthetics. Only way I'd rate any handgun a POS is if it regularly failed to function, and unless you got a lemon, I find that hard to believe about any Glock.
Oh, and I like the Glock triggers (both of mine are 5#).
Does it matter that I'm a shooter rather than a collector? "Excellent" in my mind ties to usability rather than aesthetics. Only way I'd rate any handgun a POS is if it regularly failed to function, and unless you got a lemon, I find that hard to believe about any Glock.
Oh, and I like the Glock triggers (both of mine are 5#).
Ok CZ - you asked for honesty, so here it is.
1. Glocks are UGLY. (However, I like that in a self defense weapon. The BG will know you mean business).
2. Glocks come in UGLY little Tupperware boxes. (Who cares. Mine stay in a holster, or in my truck's console or in in my nightstand drawer. The box is what you use to send it back to the factory, and I've never had need of that).
3. Glocks have a unique DA trigger. (It takes all of 25-30 rounds to get used to it. SO, get used to it).
4. Glocks have no external safety. (See item 3 - get used to it. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to destroy something).
5. Glocks are made of plastic. (So is the M-16, my bass boat, and quite a bit of my Corvette. So what).
6. Glocks aren't "perfection". (So what else is new. Perfection doesn't exist in a handgun and never will. It's a slogan, so get over that too. Is Coke "the real thing"? Is Budweiser "the king of beers ?? It's called advertising, OK ?).
7. Glocks have an unsupported chamber. (So do my Berettas and a host of other handguns. Shoot factory ammo and get over that too).
8. Glocks won't shoot 1" groups at 50 yards. (So what - I can't shoot that well anyway. It's a combat weapon, not a target pistol. Dare I say "get over it").
In summary, Glocks go BOOM when you pull the trigger with a round in the chamber, They DO NOT go BOOM unless you actually pull the trigger.
Is there something else it's supposed to do ??
Now you made me forget how I voted. Dang!!
Dawg23
1. Glocks are UGLY. (However, I like that in a self defense weapon. The BG will know you mean business).
2. Glocks come in UGLY little Tupperware boxes. (Who cares. Mine stay in a holster, or in my truck's console or in in my nightstand drawer. The box is what you use to send it back to the factory, and I've never had need of that).
3. Glocks have a unique DA trigger. (It takes all of 25-30 rounds to get used to it. SO, get used to it).
4. Glocks have no external safety. (See item 3 - get used to it. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to destroy something).
5. Glocks are made of plastic. (So is the M-16, my bass boat, and quite a bit of my Corvette. So what).
6. Glocks aren't "perfection". (So what else is new. Perfection doesn't exist in a handgun and never will. It's a slogan, so get over that too. Is Coke "the real thing"? Is Budweiser "the king of beers ?? It's called advertising, OK ?).
7. Glocks have an unsupported chamber. (So do my Berettas and a host of other handguns. Shoot factory ammo and get over that too).
8. Glocks won't shoot 1" groups at 50 yards. (So what - I can't shoot that well anyway. It's a combat weapon, not a target pistol. Dare I say "get over it").
In summary, Glocks go BOOM when you pull the trigger with a round in the chamber, They DO NOT go BOOM unless you actually pull the trigger.
Is there something else it's supposed to do ??
Now you made me forget how I voted. Dang!!
Dawg23
Glock strikes again
Reasons 3 and 4 above are why I will probably never own a Glock. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer an external safety on a pistol with a trigger pull as light as that of Glocks.
A few weeks ago here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, the 7-year-old daughter of a reserve police officer accidentally shot herself with her father's pistol. The day it happened, I told coworkers that I would bet the rent that the gun in question was a Glock.
The next day, The Dallas Morning News reported that the girl was killed when she picked up her dad's Glock 17. "She must have picked it up wrong," the grieving father was quoted as saying. I guess the little girl wasn't educated about Glock's amazing three safeties that it touts in its marketing materials.
I know, I know, the father shouldn't have left a loaded gun lying around where his daughter could get it, but any pistol that will go off just because you "pick it up wrong" is way too dangerous for me. Glocks may have three so-called safeties, but they don't have one where it counts.
Reasons 3 and 4 above are why I will probably never own a Glock. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer an external safety on a pistol with a trigger pull as light as that of Glocks.
A few weeks ago here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, the 7-year-old daughter of a reserve police officer accidentally shot herself with her father's pistol. The day it happened, I told coworkers that I would bet the rent that the gun in question was a Glock.
The next day, The Dallas Morning News reported that the girl was killed when she picked up her dad's Glock 17. "She must have picked it up wrong," the grieving father was quoted as saying. I guess the little girl wasn't educated about Glock's amazing three safeties that it touts in its marketing materials.
I know, I know, the father shouldn't have left a loaded gun lying around where his daughter could get it, but any pistol that will go off just because you "pick it up wrong" is way too dangerous for me. Glocks may have three so-called safeties, but they don't have one where it counts.
Bandit:
It's perfectly logical for Curley to place the blame on an inanimate object, although apparently this would not extend to revolvers (which also lack external safeties).
You, on the other hand, obviously haven't been paying enough attention to the "gospel message" being preached by Sarah Brady and Rosie O'Donnell:
"People don't kill people - Guns kill people."
Wake up and tune into the PC world in which none of us are supposed to be held accountable for our actions. Forget that he should not have left an unattended, loaded pistol lying where a 7 year old could reach it. Forget that a 7 year old is quite capable of being taught, a la the NRA's Eddie Eagle program, to not touch a firearm. Blame the GUN.
Stay safe,
Dawg23
It's perfectly logical for Curley to place the blame on an inanimate object, although apparently this would not extend to revolvers (which also lack external safeties).
You, on the other hand, obviously haven't been paying enough attention to the "gospel message" being preached by Sarah Brady and Rosie O'Donnell:
"People don't kill people - Guns kill people."
Wake up and tune into the PC world in which none of us are supposed to be held accountable for our actions. Forget that he should not have left an unattended, loaded pistol lying where a 7 year old could reach it. Forget that a 7 year old is quite capable of being taught, a la the NRA's Eddie Eagle program, to not touch a firearm. Blame the GUN.
Stay safe,
Dawg23
Poll was closed before I could vote, but I would have voted "Good". I carry a glock for duty and it is a fine firearm. Very reliable, quick to fire, and indestructable. But.....
- the ergonomics just plain suck. it points waaaaaaay too high. the grip angle is ridiculously out of whack. the grip is too fat to be shaped like it is.
- it's blocky
- it rattles
- the slide spring isn't strong enough to keep the slide in battery if any downward motion is applied
- the chambers are too large
Other than that, a great gun. I really do like them, they're just not my favorite. I havn't found one yet that i think is perfect. I'm still waiting. I may have to design it myself.
The perfect gun IMO would look like a Beretta, be as thin as a BHP, have a glock firing mechanism, and be all metal with a tennifer coating.
- the ergonomics just plain suck. it points waaaaaaay too high. the grip angle is ridiculously out of whack. the grip is too fat to be shaped like it is.
- it's blocky
- it rattles
- the slide spring isn't strong enough to keep the slide in battery if any downward motion is applied
- the chambers are too large
Other than that, a great gun. I really do like them, they're just not my favorite. I havn't found one yet that i think is perfect. I'm still waiting. I may have to design it myself.
The perfect gun IMO would look like a Beretta, be as thin as a BHP, have a glock firing mechanism, and be all metal with a tennifer coating.
Of course I knew two things would happen when I wrote my original post on this thread:
1. Someone would point out that revolvers don't have external safeties: "It's perfectly logical for Curley to place the blame on an inanimate object, although apparently this would not extend to revolvers (which also lack external safeties)."
True, that's why I qualified my statement by saying I preferred an external safety on a pistol WITH A LIGHT TRIGGER PULL, which Glocks have. I have a Kel-Tec P11 with no external safety, but the trigger pull is so long and heavy that there is no chance of an AD because of an inadvertent trigger pull.
2. Someone would point out that guns don't people kill people, people kill people. That is true. It's also true that 7-year-old girls sometimes kill themselves because their fathers are careless with pistols that have no safeties.
Why is it so hard for gun enthusiasts -- and I include myself in that category -- to admit that some guns have an inherently unsafe design? I know Glocks are fine guns, but the combination of light trigger pull and no safety is a deadly one.
1. Someone would point out that revolvers don't have external safeties: "It's perfectly logical for Curley to place the blame on an inanimate object, although apparently this would not extend to revolvers (which also lack external safeties)."
True, that's why I qualified my statement by saying I preferred an external safety on a pistol WITH A LIGHT TRIGGER PULL, which Glocks have. I have a Kel-Tec P11 with no external safety, but the trigger pull is so long and heavy that there is no chance of an AD because of an inadvertent trigger pull.
2. Someone would point out that guns don't people kill people, people kill people. That is true. It's also true that 7-year-old girls sometimes kill themselves because their fathers are careless with pistols that have no safeties.
Why is it so hard for gun enthusiasts -- and I include myself in that category -- to admit that some guns have an inherently unsafe design? I know Glocks are fine guns, but the combination of light trigger pull and no safety is a deadly one.
this is probably the most dangerous statement i have read on this board in a long time, the only way for there to truly be "no chance" of an AD is to keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire, if you do not follow that rule then trigger pull weight will not save you nor will mechanical safeties
Here we go again..
I could have predicted this one, too:
My point was that the P11's trigger pull is so long and heavy that it's not going to discharge if you happen to touch the trigger while picking it up.
(And now, I'm sure someone will post a nugget of wisdom about how you shouldn't touch the trigger when you pick up a gun.)
I could have predicted this one, too:
My point was that the P11's trigger pull is so long and heavy that it's not going to discharge if you happen to touch the trigger while picking it up.
(And now, I'm sure someone will post a nugget of wisdom about how you shouldn't touch the trigger when you pick up a gun.)
Curley,
Glocks ARE indeed deadly!!! So is a knife, a baseball bat or any other weapon you can think of external manual safety or not. That still doesn't vindicate a person for negligence. Or are we assuming the father had no idea the gun could possibly go off in the hands of his 7 year old? Would it of been totally acceptable and responsible for him to leave a loaded weapon lying around that had a manual safety? WRONG!! People like that I strongly believe have no business owning firearms in the first place. But I digress.. Again I truly feel for the guy and his loss, and know he's problaby putting himself through hell for his negligence. I wouldn't want to wish that guilt on anyone, but his statement has me wondering...
dawg23,
And I never will... I refuse to be assimilated
Guess I'm getting cranky in my later years.. ( I got the jist of your sarcasm so not to worry) Seriously folks, where will we draw the line on regulations and devices that are mandated by law to protect us from stupidity?? When are we going to, as a people of a free society, start taking responsibility for our own actions?
Rick
I would not wish to disappoint so I direct your attention to NRA Rule #2:
2. Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
I maintain that your point as related to trigger weight is not well taken and is dangerous. When you eventually have an AD/ND I pray that you are following Rule #1.
http://www.nrahq.org/safety/education/guide.asp
Absolutely AndABeer, thanks for catching that one.. In the heat of my rant I was oblivious to that glaring assumption that a heavy trigger pull would make it "OK" to touch the trigger at any other time than when ready to fire. Not meaning to gang up on you Curley, but I seriously think you should re-think some of your assumptions reguarding safe gun handling and leaving a loaded weapon un-attended even if it has a heavy trigger is still a "No-No"!!
AndABeer, I owe you a beer..
Rick
Not meaning to gang up on you Curley, but I seriously think you should re-think some of your assumptions reguarding safe gun handling and leaving a loaded weapon un-attended even if it has a heavy trigger is still a "No-No"!! AndABeer, I owe you a beer..
Rick
Gee, do ya think so?
I have to say one of the more annoying occurrences on this board is the way some people feel they have to lecture others about topics such as gun safety.
I have been shooting since I was about 7 years old. I am now 45. Safety has always been my number one concern when shooting, hunting or handling a gun. (Which, back to my original point, is why I'll never own a Glock) I have never even come close to having an accident with a gun.
I KNOW you should never leave a loaded weapon unattended. I KNOW you shouldn't touch the trigger when picking one up. My point was that I knew someone would point out the obvious, which you and a couple of others have done. Thanks for fulfilling my prophecy.
It's also terribly obvious that that little girl's dad was negligent in leaving a loaded pistol lying around where she could reach it. But I still maintain that if that pistol had had a manual safety (that was in the safe position -- again stating the obvious) that girl would be alive today despite her father's negligence.
I would rate the Glock as very good. They may not be the prettiest, the grip may not fit every hand and some find the triggers objectionable but they do work and (personally) that's what I consider most important in a handgun.
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Joe
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Joe
That's assuming he wouldn't be negligent and had the safety engaged nor the posibility that out of curiosity, the little girl might be tempted to flick the levers and twist the knobs.. But we're nitpicking now.. We can "what if" this tragedy forever but it won't bring the little girl back...
Your experience with firearms mirror mine somewhat and I'm glad you stated that gun safety is your number one concern, but safety rules are not BRAND specific they apply to ALL firearms don't they? I was always taught to NEVER leave firearms just lying around unattended loaded/unloaded, on safe/off safe, Glock/Beretta/ Colt/Winchester/etc..etc.. To do so is just irresponsible. Maybe if it HAD been lectured to the point it was considered annoying to a certain gunowner it might have sunk in and a tragedy could have been avoided.
Rick
Too bad I found this thread after all the voting was done. The trigger on the Glock 23 I shot last week was so poor that I thought I didn't get a round chambered. You literally have to yard on the trigger to make the gun shoot. No thank you! John Moses Browning had it right the first time with the 1911.