Rampaging Animal Part 2

ok, I should have worded that differently. I should have said 100% reliable in any conceavable day to day situation. if the earth opened up and satan stepped out I have no idea how my dog, or any dogs I've trained would react. if a 777 airliner or hercules jumbo prop plane collided with the house I dont know. and granted, the majority of the people who I train for just want obedience, they dont care if the dog will be obedient in a war/battle situation. however, if the situation is possible, any dog can be trained to be obedient in it. its just a matter of simulating it while training. so yes, I should have said my dog is garaunteed to be 100% obedient in any conceivable situation, but it IS possible to train a dog to be 100% reliable in other situations. I cant simulate a UFO beeming me up in order to train a dog to obey commands in that situation. so I'll give you that one.
as to your second question, I could list names (if I had the time and their permission) of atleast 1,000 owners in the US, and another 5-10,000 in europe who could claim 100% reliability of their dogs. and I can also promise their are another roughly 50,000 handlers among the US law enforcement agencies and military who can claim the same. I wish everyone in the US had to meet the standards for dog ownership that europeans are held too, and higher, but sadly you are correct, the vast majority of people in this world cannot make such a claim. which I guess was why I originally said that I dont blame anyone on here for honestly saying they would shoot first and deal with the consequences later. and the reason I posted about canine behaviour is so that everyone who reads it might save themselves a little trouble, and said that we should all be as responsible in this situation as with a person running towards you. what if you shoot the person and then realize he/she was running to their car, running past you, because their wife just called and said she was going into labor/husband called and said he was cleaning his shotgun and blew his foot off. you might see a dog seemingly running right for you, shoot it, then little Timmy comes around the corner behind you and you find out the dog was running past you because he just heard the kibble spill into his food dish.
I wasnt trying to start a fight, and dont want to be a part of one. I was merely informing everyone about canine behaviour and hoping that with the info I posted you might notice one of the things I mentioned and realize the dog is not charging with malicious intent, or atleast hesitate to be certain. draw your weapon, and be ready, but be certain.
 
I didn't see your replies as argumentative, and I appreciate the information. I'm still of the opinion that you are a bit optimistic about the reliability of trained animals, but I agree that an animal trained by an expert is a far cry from what one would expect from a typical "pet".
 
I still say and believe that a dogs intent is pretty easy to read. What's inside their little heads will be evident in the look on their faces, the way they carry their bodies, their behavior, etc. A dog is transparent for the most part. Perhaps a dog trained to attack a person on command would be different. Behaving more in an emotionally detatched mode, and would be therefore far more difficult to read. But, a dog like that would be an exception and not the rule. In that case, you would have twice the trouble, not only the dog, but perhaps a dangerous human being to deal with. Assuming he's sent his dog to attack you to no good end. In that case you might have to shoot the poor dog because his owner/handler is a criminal jerk and then shoot the owner for brandishing a dangerous weapon.
 
My neighbors have 6 dogs that will bark, run, and greet anyone that comes down their long driveway on 60+ acres. Last year they were pepper sprayed by a local policeman that got out of his car and walked up to their door (wrong address and he no longer works in the area).
I did not see this, but I did see the same dogs run up and greet a 7 year old little girl who's daddy working at the barn didn't notice she had wandered off to play. The dogs ran to say their hellos and got petted by her as she came up to the house.
Some dogs will go nuts when they see someone in a uniform. When we were kids, the family poodle acted like he wanted to kill my older brother when he came home on leave. Once he changed out of his uniform the dog was back to being a foo foo.
 
After reading all of this, I have come to a final conclusion: I'm glad I have a cat. I don't need to worry about it ripping my neighbor to shreads, and the only death I'll have to deal with is when it dies, or when it brings those damned field mice to my door. Of course, I used to have a pretty well trained German Shepard. Thing was protective as hell, wouldn't even let my granparents come near me unless I or my parents called it off. She was one of two dogs I owned. The other was a ****zu. It was scared of my cat, and looked like a drowned rat when wet. Personally, I think you can tell when a dog is charging at you if it wants to play or if it wants to make you dinner, and my judgement call would be to put a round into it.
 
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After reading all of this, I have come to a final conclusion: I'm glad I have a cat. I don't need to worry about it ripping my neighbor to shreads, and the only death I'll have to deal with is when it dies, or when it brings those damned field mice to my door. Of course,
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How bout starting a rampaging Kitty Kat thread? ;)
 
After reading all of this, I have come to a final conclusion: I'm glad I have a cat. I don't need to worry about it ripping my neighbor to shreads, and the only death I'll have to deal with is when it dies, or when it brings those damned field mice to my door.
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If you lived in Wisconsin, and they passed the 'open season" for feral cats you'd have more to worry about!
 
I have three cats. The Maine Coon would probably run in fear from an attacker (he's big and powerful when he jumps on you, problem is he'll only jump on ya to be petted!). The Russian Blue/who knows what mix would probably hiss at you and then run, and the little alley cat would probably want to cuddle! As for them charging, if you're so scared of cute little kitties that you'd put a round into them, than tisk tisk, and you PROBABLY shouldn't be carrying ANY type of weapon. :D

Now, as for the ferrel cat laws, mine are all indoors cats, and stick close to the house whenever they make the great escape. We had one get loose for a week (scared of cars so she'd run every time anyone would pull into the condo parking lot), so I wouldn't be too worried about THAT one. And as far as home protection goes, my little alley cat is so damn cute that a bad guy would probably get caught up in cuddle time, then BAM!!! :p

Seriously, anyone who lives in a neighborhood where they even remotely know their neighbors PROBABLY knows their dogs as well. I know that I could tell whether my neighbors' dogs had snapped and wanted dinner, or if they're being their normal selves and craving attention and the innevitable bit of food which I'll give them if I'm coming in from a food run...

And if you're in a strange neighborhood, or somehow your neighbor gets pissed and orders their dog to attack, then yes, defend yourself. I'm fortunate enough to live in a small town where I pretty much know everyone's habits, even if I don't know them personally. However, I realize that not everyone is so FORTUNATE as I am to be in a tiny little nowhere town where the people in the stores and such know their names. So yes, err on the side of caution if you're really not sure, then watch Animal Planet for some closure. :p
 
Interacting with dogs can be as complex as people. In my work, I "deal" with dogs daily. For the most part, they will respond to your action. If you are freindly and non-threatening, they will be friendly right back. If you are fearful, they will pick up on it and start showing aggressiveness. Many dogs, in fact will "test" you, as a form of pack dominance, I guess.

Many times, their "aggressive" behavior is actually a bluff, and they are acting out of fear. If you leave them alone, they will back off. I am thinking of one that I saw today. When I first went onto its yard, it barked and snarled like I was lunch. From expereince, I sensed that it was a fear reaction, so I didn't respond in kind. Slowly, he accepted me. Today, when I opened the door of my truck, he walked up for his back scratch.

I DO respect a strange dog, though. I'm not so confident in reading dogs that I will get careless around the questionable ones. If necessary, I will kill them for protection.
 
SBrocker8

Did you get a license to transport that Maine Coon Cat across state lines??? :D Hhuuum? You may have violated the Mann act! :eek:
 
Always shoot the lead dog (alpha male). Fido in a pack of his pears is a completely different animal, with a whole other set of rules. Usually if the alpha male changes behavior, the other members will follow suit. So if you shoot the lead dog, and he drops, the other dogs should break off the attack.
 
"Always shoot the lead dog..."

Good point. If you get the Alpha Dog you probably won't need to shoot any followers.
 
My Dad got charged by a navy security dog who was released into the secured area too early. He became aware of the dog because the handler was running behind him yelling at the dog. The dog (a German Shepard) jumped at him and Dad stuck his hand out. He grabbed the dog by the jaw and broke his neck. The handler then proceeded to threaten him for killing the dog. This happened a while back, but he still has a scar on the web of his hand from the dog biting down right before he twisted.
 
I have been in situations where a medium sized dogs came running at me and barking. I have never pulled a gun but I have pulled my folding knife just in case. Thank God I have never had to do anything as I am also a dog lover.

I was told from a very young age not to run since that will just make them want to chase you more (prey drive). I have also learned not to make eye contact as this is seen as a challenge to agressive dogs. This may not work in all circumstances but it beats shooting every dog that runs at you.

If the dog was a more agressive breed and it looked like it was charging me, I would have the knife ready but I would try to kick the crap out of it first. I have had a few years of martial arts training so I hope I might stand a chance. If not, fido is going to get skinned.

Some of you guys are saying that agression is trained and not bred. I do not agree 100% with that as genetics does play a role in agression and dominance. I have an 80 lb. Akita and she is pretty nice around people. She will not tolerate ANY agression from ANY dog. That is just her nature. She almost ate a little Yorkie when she scaled my fence a while back. The Yorkie was probably barking its little head off defending its property but my dog just chomped it. She has been obediance trained and off leash trained but I sure as heck don't trust her 100% off leash with other dogs around.
 
Techbrute,

I had a friend travel to Japan and train (martial arts) in a School that is notorious for its brutality, toughness and having a reputation for training Yakuza bodyguards. One technique he had observed was that of killing dogs by allowing the dog to jump up to attack and the defender putting up his forearm, as the dog jumps up and bites down on the forearm, the defender quickly, then locks his other forearm behind the dogs neck and then pushes his arm with the dogs jaw latched onto it back to break its neck. He told me that it was a truley disgusting sight, not only because of the senseless killing of the dogs, but also because the ones testing the technique were also all bloody...especially the ones that did not execute the technique quickly enough, the dogs tore the crap outta their arms. One thing that he said really stood out was the very visible audience of japanese men wearing dark suits and dark sunglasses...some even had missing pinkies.
 
Topthis,

To my knowledge, my dad never had any asian martial arts training. Based on his tone while relating the event to me, I'm sure he'd be surprised to find that people practiced it.
 
My boss' brother is a cop and former animal control officer for one of the larger departments in the Twin Cities. His advice when attacked by a single dog and unarmed is to ball up one hand into a fist and try to shove it as far in the dog's mouth as possible. It will be too big to swallow, and hands are both fairly tough and fairly free of exposed arteries. The other hand is then free to grab the dog's throat and lift it off the ground, or choke it or body slam the critter. Most dogs weigh less than half what an adult human does...we have mass on our side.

Now for three dogs...he said "You'd better have a gun."
 
One thing you guys should not forget is how fast dogs can be. Their reaction time is incredible so all of this "I'm going to stick my hand down its throat and choke it" tak is a bunch of crap. As for picking up a dog and body slamming it, any dog you could pick up like that probably isn't a credible threat.

I will now back up what I just stated. I have an 80 lb. akita female. I can throw a ball at her at a very fast speed and she can catch it almost everytime. She will pick up on any tiny movement and react in the blink of an eye. Humans have crappy reaction times compared to most animals.

With that stated, I still think you should try to kick or punch the dog as you can still do damage for the entire arc or swing of the blow. If there is more than one dog, that will be a lot more difficult. I would say try to jump up on a car or seperate yourself. If there are a pack of mean looking dogs, I might fire a warning shot and start popping them if they don't turn right away.
 
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