Question. LEOs at the door with warrant

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There is something to be gained here. The need to make sure of what you are dealing with.

If you are awakened by masked folks breaking down the door there is no room for error either way. The advice to obey the law is good, but most of us that have or do ccw fall into that category.

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Vlad Son of Tepes Wrote:

Well if they announce they are cops, and you don't trust that they are, perhaps you can announce that you do not trust their declaration as genuine, that you are very well armed and will resist an intrusion into your property/house,
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That is an option I wouldn't suggest. That would most likely get you dead quickly.

There is no sure fire way to guarantee validity in most cases, but to look out and see official cars, and uniforms, the only thing that might work is to be on line with 911 asking questions as you open the door. Quickly announcing you are on with 911 as they enter. JMHO. Each situation is obviously going to be deifferent, requiring changes in responses and tactics.
 
In a previous post I explained how I had the police twice in one week respond to a 911 call which had the lines crossed to my apartment in the early morning.

They knocked, I (once I woke up) communicated to them I was calling the local police to verify, they waited and once confirmed I opened the door.

For a warrant authorizing entry, they don't have to wait forever, but hopefully they don't suspect you of destroying evidence and will wait a moment while you're on the line with local police to confirm.

Worked well for me, I keep local PD's number on my cell phone.

Good luck.
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Sure glad I live outside the big city.... or maybe I am too busy to imagine threats and dream up what ifs?

Take a few classes on self defense first off s oyou have a little confidence, then take some body guard stuff and learn how to hit a target in all lite situations. If a cop knocks, better let him in.
 
If a cop knocks, better let him in.
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No Doubt, and cheerfully too. But as has been stated, just because somebody says they are a cop does not make it so.

I used to know a man who got fooled on that one......
 
Read the news reports carefully...your chances, if you are a legitimate person, of getting hit by folks pretending to be cops is statistically nill.
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The reality is that neither I nor anyone else in my household is a fugitive from justice, involved in illegal drugs, kiddie porn, shady tax dodges, jihadi activity, failure to report for jury duty, downloading pirate MP3s, or even has unpaid parking tickets.

Hence, there is NO reason to believe that REAL police would have ANY reason to have a warrant for my residence. So unless there are 5 marked squad cars out front and a dozen uniformed cops standing around, the odds are that the "cops" demanding entry ARE, in fact, fakes.
 
Many of U guys wholly miss the point. Gov't should not be in the practice of kicking down doors.

The founders of this nation would be appalled at the current state of affairs. Name one thing gov't cannot do... things have surely changed since those who "had it all" risked it all for folks who, by and large don't seem to regard their philosophy very highly...

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Vlad Son of Tepes Wrote:

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Well if they announce they are cops, and you don't trust that they are, perhaps you can announce that you do not trust their declaration as genuine, that you are very well armed and will resist an intrusion into your property/house
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That is an option I wouldn't suggest. That would most likely get you dead quickly.
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We are dealing with LEO's not Delta Force hunting murderous terrorists here. I should hope that police would show slightly more restraint, if not only for the fear that they would be severely maimed or wounded themselves, by our theoretical, heavily armed, homeowner, fearing a home invasion. Now granted IF there are cop cars outside lights flashing, and LOTS of genuine looking LEO's out there then it is very unlikely these are crooks. But if its like 4 Bozos out there wearing "FBI" wind breakers, saying "Open the door, its the Police" then I think that not opening the door and asking for proof (a few squad cars with lights flashing, uniformed officers, telephone legitimation, etc) first is not only a good idea, but probably recommended these days. If they are true cops they will be more persistent and engage in some sort of persuasive verbal exchange with you, and some attempt, I would think, at legitimizing themselves, whereas I'm hoping that the crooks, upon hearing that you are armed and planning on resisting, would just go and find an easier target. I think just rolling over and exposing loved ones and oneself to any low-life yelling "open up its the police" is foolish. And the suggestion that any hint of a verbal challenge from a worried and concerned home owner will result in nothing less then the police throwing all caution to the wind and violently assaulting your property without any regard to their own safety is probably not giving enough credit to the professionalism and capacity of restraint that Police organizations in the US have.
 
perhaps you can announce that you do not trust their declaration as genuine, that you are very well armed and will resist an intrusion into your property/house
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In many places, this would classify you as a barricaded suspect.
Not entirely a good start.
You'll definitely see the SWAT team now
 
Vlad Son of Tepes Wrote:

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Well if they announce they are cops, and you don't trust that they are, perhaps you can announce that you do not trust their declaration as genuine, that you are very well armed and will resist an intrusion into your property/house,
That is an option I wouldn't suggest. That would most likely get you dead quickly.
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Perfect actually. This way one would know that they are true LEO's. The next correct course of action, is then to loudly announce that "I now understand that you are official LEO's and I am unloading all of my guns and locking them up, after which I will follow absolutely all of your instructions". But before rolling out the SWAT, don't you think that they really ought to just have had their supervisor take my call via 911 ;)
 
You'll definitely see the SWAT team now
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Just imagine what your neighbors would think if SWAT showed up!:D

"I really thought John was a good guy. I've been his neighbor for years."

Haha. The next day you go over to your neighbor's house to explain that it was all a huge misunderstanding. They'd probably be afraid to answer the door.
 
Many of U guys wholly miss the point. Gov't should not be in the practice of kicking down doors.
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Sentiment very well received here. I would hope that Govt ought to really approach a decision to violently assault someone's property with great deliberation of thought and restraint and only after having excellent intelligence that it is a correct target. I also realize that there have been cases of egregious suspension of judgment, and outright mistakes, by various LE Agencies in the past. Anyway, I'm optimistic that most LEO's in this country aren't gung ho meat-heads and are highly intelligent, professional and well measured individuals .
 
I didn't search long enough to find home invasions, but "playing dress up" is a very common theme.
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Let's see now, unless I missed something in reading al lthis stuff we still do not have an example of BGs dressing up in LE uniforms, geting fake IDs, and faking a copy of a warrant to conduct a home invasion. Thanks for playing, folks, but I think you all have proven my point.
 
Son of Vlad,

The point I was trying to make is that openly announcing that you are heavily armed and will resist any attempt to enter, is perhaps not the best thing to yell through your door at the police.

Its about the same thing as having a concealed carry weapon, being pulled over in a traffic stop, and the first thing you say as the officer comes to your window is "I have a gun". Don't expect to get handled with kid gloves after such a declaration.

I think that announcing that you are "on the phone now with 911", and that you will open the door as soon as their validity is verified, might be a better option than yelling "I'm armed and will open fire if you try to come in."

If you decide to take that course of action, let me know and I will watch for it on the news.....:confused:
 
Derius,

Ok, point taken but I wasn't suggesting that the first thing one should say is "I'm armed!"

from a later post of mine: "You must have the wrong house and I am in fear for my life that you are home invaders, and I will require a call from your supervisor/proper squad cars outside/etc before opening the door"

I suppose that instead of "I will require a call from your supervisor.." one could say "...and I have 911 on the line" or "...I am calling the police" or some variation on that theme.

I agree that announcing simply "I am armed and you better not come in" is a really really really bad idea :)
 
You're doing wayyy to much talking. Consequently, that door is getting 25# of rubber put into it.
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+1 This middle aged citizen has worked around enough LEO to believe that if they want you to open the door, it's gonna open. I don't believe that officers who think they are in the right are going to be too concerned that you are concerned that they may be someone else.

Plus, everybody lies to cops. MHO is that trying to stall them won't work if they are concerned about preserving evidence.
 
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