Question about carrying
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The boonies=BOONDOCKS and is any location of very rural country type place. A place where pickups out way cars hands down, My def. I lived in the central florida area for over 18 years and had plenty of crime in each location. I was sick and tired of petty thefts from my yard (some were grand theft value) tired of my 2 kids having to walk to school past drug dealers. Momma always worried my daughter would be victimized and son lured into participating in drug use etc. My friends fell into crack use and had to be banned from being at my place as i did not need to worry about them ripping me off or the cops raiding in on me thinking I was involved with drugs. police choppers waking me up regularly following high speed perps.
Where I now live is 5 miles from town and if we hear a siren it is the Volunteer fire department responding to a fire are car crash and that is RARE! Sure we got some meth here (some of the fires are meth lab fires) but little related crime. It is funny how many cars have the keys left in the ignition or floorboard at the stores. BTW, they still give kids "swats" in the K-12 public school!!!
Brent
Where I now live is 5 miles from town and if we hear a siren it is the Volunteer fire department responding to a fire are car crash and that is RARE! Sure we got some meth here (some of the fires are meth lab fires) but little related crime. It is funny how many cars have the keys left in the ignition or floorboard at the stores. BTW, they still give kids "swats" in the K-12 public school!!!
Brent
Bama Rifleman
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It's all been said above. My position is to never pull my weapon unless I intend to shoot; and shoot to kill. You had better have this mind set or some BG will take you weapon away from you a then you are in real BAD trouble!! Plain and simple!
It's recommended that you indicate you plan to shoot to stop the attack. Killing isn't the goal of using deadly force in self-defense although it can be a side effect.
The life or death of the attacker should be of no consequence to the defender as his priority and focus should be directed toward stopping the attack. Some argue that this is merely semantics, but as they say, what you say can and will be used against you.
rem870hunter
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i live in southern nj. a permit to carry a firearm here is really tough to get. basically if you don't carry a badge you can't carry a firearm. you can own and transport them to and from hunting grounds or target ranges, gun shops. but as far carrying a firearm i would if permitted with out all the b.s. . i don't have a badge. i can however defend my person and personal property. bascially meaning my home and family at home. what i was told by a local police officer if someone breaks into your home whether they are armed or not. you must let them know
1. you are armed.
2.drop what you have and you/they must leave now.
you must give them the option of leaving peacefully. if they do not leave and they corner you. and cause bodily harm. you have the right to fire. pretty much let them hit you with something or shoot first. or slash or stab you. then your alowed to fire. i say its my home and my property and i will do what i wish. i can and will defend it till i am dead. if i had to fire on a burglar so be it. they don't belong in my house. i had read to many paper articles and seen enough news on the internet. of people being shot or stabbed to death in their own home. morons out there breaking into 70 and 80 year olds homes and beating them up or killing them. for 50 bucks. or whatever. i say if they want my money and or valuables which i don't have much of. they can have it. they can get it courtesy of express on the end of a 1 oz. slug .
on the street it is definetly different. i would not pull unless i was ready to fire. if i saw a gun or knife in their hands that would be grounds enough for me to pull. if they struck me i would warn them as i was pulling that i am armed and to back up and leave. maybe i was a victim of an assault at age 17. 6 15 year olds jumped out of a blazer surrounded me. yelling im gonna kick yer ass. and 2 of them had their hands down in the front of their jeans saying you wanna get popped. you wanna get popped <expletive deleted>. none of they pulled as far as i know. they thought i was my cousin who was running his mouth 10 minutes beforehand to them. i had no clue who any of them were. i did'nt care. they had the wrong guy.
1 of them hit me in the head from behind. as i fell forward another 1 hit me in the ribs. the 1 i fell forward into grabbed me up. i managed to turn away when he did and the first 1 that came into my sight i kicked as hard as could dead square in the groin. i swore i broke a few toes but he went down . the others grabbed him up and headed back to the blazer they got out of. the guy across the street whos dad is a retired twp. cop. heard the shouting and saw this. he came out jumped in his car and followed them far enough to get a tag number. the driver was tracked down and he turned in the guys. 3 admitted to hitting me. one of them was the one i kicked in groin. i aparrently kicked him hard enough that he had to have his nuts removed. i broke them.
1. you are armed.
2.drop what you have and you/they must leave now.
you must give them the option of leaving peacefully. if they do not leave and they corner you. and cause bodily harm. you have the right to fire. pretty much let them hit you with something or shoot first. or slash or stab you. then your alowed to fire. i say its my home and my property and i will do what i wish. i can and will defend it till i am dead. if i had to fire on a burglar so be it. they don't belong in my house. i had read to many paper articles and seen enough news on the internet. of people being shot or stabbed to death in their own home. morons out there breaking into 70 and 80 year olds homes and beating them up or killing them. for 50 bucks. or whatever. i say if they want my money and or valuables which i don't have much of. they can have it. they can get it courtesy of express on the end of a 1 oz. slug .
on the street it is definetly different. i would not pull unless i was ready to fire. if i saw a gun or knife in their hands that would be grounds enough for me to pull. if they struck me i would warn them as i was pulling that i am armed and to back up and leave. maybe i was a victim of an assault at age 17. 6 15 year olds jumped out of a blazer surrounded me. yelling im gonna kick yer ass. and 2 of them had their hands down in the front of their jeans saying you wanna get popped. you wanna get popped <expletive deleted>. none of they pulled as far as i know. they thought i was my cousin who was running his mouth 10 minutes beforehand to them. i had no clue who any of them were. i did'nt care. they had the wrong guy. 1 of them hit me in the head from behind. as i fell forward another 1 hit me in the ribs. the 1 i fell forward into grabbed me up. i managed to turn away when he did and the first 1 that came into my sight i kicked as hard as could dead square in the groin. i swore i broke a few toes but he went down . the others grabbed him up and headed back to the blazer they got out of. the guy across the street whos dad is a retired twp. cop. heard the shouting and saw this. he came out jumped in his car and followed them far enough to get a tag number. the driver was tracked down and he turned in the guys. 3 admitted to hitting me. one of them was the one i kicked in groin. i aparrently kicked him hard enough that he had to have his nuts removed. i broke them.the kicker
Remember that "defense of self or others" is a DEFENSE to a charge of manslaughter or murder. One might prefer not to be in a position to be tried for a crime at all, even if one has a really good defense (assuming the jury will buy it). But the kicker is the immediacy of the threat. An "emergency" (used as a technical legal term) is "an immediate threat to life, limb, or property". If there's no emergency, you don't need to pull your gun out. If you do so just to intimidate someone, you can be charged with anything from brandishing a firearm to assault with a deadly weapon. ("Assault" means an unpriviliged, unjustified, and unexcused offer or attempt to touch the person of another in an offensive manner. It does not require contact.) You pull out your gun, and the cop who sees you do it will be justified in shooting you.
On the other hand, "emergency" does not require the presence of a firearm. Just keep in mind the principle that twelve of your good, loyal, honest, and true neighbors are going to decide whether what you did was reasonable under the circumstances, or whether you should spend the next twenty years eating bologna sandwiches for lunch at state expense.
Remember that "defense of self or others" is a DEFENSE to a charge of manslaughter or murder. One might prefer not to be in a position to be tried for a crime at all, even if one has a really good defense (assuming the jury will buy it). But the kicker is the immediacy of the threat. An "emergency" (used as a technical legal term) is "an immediate threat to life, limb, or property". If there's no emergency, you don't need to pull your gun out. If you do so just to intimidate someone, you can be charged with anything from brandishing a firearm to assault with a deadly weapon. ("Assault" means an unpriviliged, unjustified, and unexcused offer or attempt to touch the person of another in an offensive manner. It does not require contact.) You pull out your gun, and the cop who sees you do it will be justified in shooting you.
On the other hand, "emergency" does not require the presence of a firearm. Just keep in mind the principle that twelve of your good, loyal, honest, and true neighbors are going to decide whether what you did was reasonable under the circumstances, or whether you should spend the next twenty years eating bologna sandwiches for lunch at state expense.
I agree with you 100%, JohnKSa!
An armed citizen should NEVER "shoot to kill"! Rather, an armed citizen should "shoot to live" or so that another potential victim may live.
Never "shoot to kill". Shoot to neutralize the imminent threat of loss of life or the imminent threat of grievous bodily harm. As someone mentioned previously, lethal force is also justified by the imminent threat of rape or felonious sexual assault.
When the imminent threat of loss of life or greivous bodily harm is past, the armed citizen must immediately cease the use of lethal force as defense.
As JohnKSa mentioned, what you say can and will be used against you!
An armed citizen should NEVER "shoot to kill"! Rather, an armed citizen should "shoot to live" or so that another potential victim may live.
Never "shoot to kill". Shoot to neutralize the imminent threat of loss of life or the imminent threat of grievous bodily harm. As someone mentioned previously, lethal force is also justified by the imminent threat of rape or felonious sexual assault.
When the imminent threat of loss of life or greivous bodily harm is past, the armed citizen must immediately cease the use of lethal force as defense.
As JohnKSa mentioned, what you say can and will be used against you!