Pushing the envelope a little... (Prostitution)

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BerettaCougar

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I love watching the show COPS.
Todays show was from the late 90's, and it was based in the Miami area, (FL).

Well half of the show was about these planned stings on "Johns" (People willing to pay for sexual pleasures).

I was all for these types of law's, prior to opening my mind up to PERSONAL freedoms.

After watching this show, I felt a little empty... Kind of robbed.
I've never paid for sex, nor will I ever entertain myself with physical contact with a street hooker. (I have been to strip joints for my friends 18 and 21st birthday, as well as my 18 then my 21st birthday) I personally believe that street hookers are a haven of STD's and a medium for drugs.

But where are the freedoms of the women? Is it not THEIR body? can they not do with it what THEY wish?

What if they are NOT selling drugs and operating out of their house? or in a building.

I know most will reply with something along the lines of:

1) It's just plain ugly to see hookers working the streets.
2) It just isnt right.
3) Hookers spread STD's
4) Hookers are home wreckers
5) Hookers and their pimps are worthless

And hey, I totally agree 100%, but none of the above statements are illegal.
Unless of course you spread an STD knowingly, then that MAY be attempted murder (from what I heard on COPS :D)

I just feel that somewhere in the moral and "gut feeling" laws, the rights of the hookers have to be noticed..

Opinions?
 
well wouldnt it be better to control and regulate it? Maybe even tax it? Its so old it will never go away. In europe theres red light districts its totally legal. The women are tested by govt clinics regularily. THe areas are low in crime. The women pay taxes. Theres a very big upside to controlling what is in fact one of the oldest industries. Less disease spread this way as well. If anything like in europe this would get rid of the hookers hanging out on the corner and clean up some areas of some cities...and maybe even make some revenue. Dont like it..dont go there.
 
I think that a person should be able to do with their bodies as they see fit, including selling it. The state is basically saying that your body belongs to them when they demand that they have say over it.

I think that prostitution is immoral, but it's not up to me to decide that for everyone. I think that they should have a medical checkup every 6 months but besides that, it's not my place to force my values and morals down anyones throat.

Wayne
 
yeah its not my thing either...but to me its better to keep it in one area..under control..and clean...there if you want it..otherwise out of sight.
 
One of the interesting things about Costa Rica is that prostitution is legal, so one would think there would be streetwalkers everywhere, but though I walked most of San Jose's streets with my wife, I never saw a single prostitute. It seems that where it is legal, it is less visible.

I guess you have to ask one question: Who owns you? If the government owns you then they have a say over what you do with you. If you own you then you are free to make good choices and bad ones too. Seems simple to me. Freedom doesn't come in degrees in my mind. Either you are free or you are not and this has a lot to do with guns as well. It's a simple question and we all answer it in our own way.

A lot of folks here want to be free to do what they do but they want to control others in their freedoms.
 
It seems that where it is legal, it is less visible.
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It isn't less visible in Vegas. Even though you won't see hookers walking the Vegas Strip, there are very graphic "business cards" with prostitutes' photos and contact info littering the streets and stuck to telephone poles and fences everywhere you go. It's very hard to avoid seeing them if you don't want to.

But is the icky factor reason enough to limit human freedom? I don't think so.

pax
 
anyway you look at it..legalizing it and controling it in certain areas makes sense. Its a major improvement in public health for starters. When I use to live in Germany I use to hang out with all the girls from Texas...got offered freebies..but never toook em up on it..but it was nice to hang out and drink beer with people who you could actually talk to ...there were lots..one house called drei farben (3 colours) had about 250ish girls for sale/rent, was in Stuttgart, big US base area.
 
The whole idea of legislating morality is total and absolute nonsense. All it ever does is create a black market that becomes an even larger and uglier blight without slowing down the activity itself. In fact it creates real crimes that would not have a reason to exist otherwise.

If you think that prostitution is immoral and should also be illegal, then think about this:

Las Vegas' famous Mustang Ranch (legal brothel) was taken over and run by none other than our own IRS in September of 1990 to try and pay off back taxes. The IRS couldn't make it profitable though so they closed it down and auctioned it off.

If you are one of those who think prostitution should be illegal, now do you think is it OK for prostitution to be legal since the IRS did? :D
 
It's funny. People can sell their organs, blood, hair, sperm, and eggs. Women can be paid to be surrogate mothers.
I don't see why women can't sell a little lovin' if they want to. I do believe it should be regulated, to control disease and so Uncle Sam can get his cut. Hey, if I gotta pay taxes, so do they!

I wish women would pay me for my services!
 
I am of the opinion that the postitution sting operations conducted by police departments are little more than money raisers. The politicians are unable to profit from the prostitution by taxing it, so they harrass the people buying and selling and collect fines.
 
Back in 1957 the Japanese government decided to outlaw brothels. Until that time, medical professionals made the rounds among the various houses, checking the girls out and giving them shots when needed. The bureaucrats realized that they weren't going to get all those girls to find new ways to make money, especially since many of them had steady boyfriends. So the government arranged for the girls to get ID cards with a photo of the boyfriend alongside a photo of the young lady who was carrying the card. In no time at all, some of the girls acquired whole decks of ID cards, each with a different guy on it who could pass for another 'boyfriend' in the dark. Did I mention that these ID cards cost $25 each? In 1957 $25 was a lot of money!
A second consequence of this new law was a huge increase in STDs. It got so bad that the Naval Hospital in Yokosuka bought a civilian car and took any sailor who tested positive out to find the girl he had contracted his "gift" from. Once she was found, she was given a card which allowed her to enter the Hospital via a back gate and get her shots for free. It was cheaper than trying to deal with the Japanese health authorities and a whole lot more successful.
 
As George Carlin once said:

"Why should it be illegal to sell something that it's perfectly legal to give away for free?"

Prostitution, drugs, booze, guns.... Prohibition has never worked, and never will. When you start saying "well, our efforts to control <insert vice here> haven't worked, so we'll just try harder, and that'll do it," you've stepped out of reality, and into the world of "if I wish hard enough, it'll come true."

That's a child's mentality.

--Shannon
 
I think that prostitution is immoral, but it's not up to me to decide that for everyone.
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I think I was watching something the other day, can't remember what it was, and a character asked where in the bible it says that prostitution is immoral. If it involves anyone who is married, then yes. But if a single prostitute sells herself to a single "john," what morality is broken? What if there was no money involved? What if they were just two people who like each other enough to have sex? So is it the money that makes it wrong? Is it the fact that they're not married? What percentage of married couples alive today, do you figure, got married without having any of the kinds of sexual contact that (some claim) is prohibited by God to unmarried couples?


P.S. +1 Shannon. Great post!


-blackmind
 
If intelligent people recognize the utter futility of "prohibition" efforts -- the fact that they ALWAYS are doomed to fail in the end -- shouldn't we intelligent people be able to remove from our midst those others who insist on trying it, and trying it harder, and trying it harder, making hassles for us all over the place, wasting money, effort, resources and lives?

I mean, how long should we tolerate people who insist on instituting prohibition policies, knowing that it will take money out of our pockets, endanger our well-being, and never accomplish a damned thing except require more of our money and endanger more of our well-being?

Should we not have the right to stamp it out, and say, "ENOUGH! No more stupid absurd attempts to prohibit things via governmental intervention when they clearly are things that the people want"?

PROHIBITION IS PROVED EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY TO UTTERLY FAIL. We should be regarding any person who believes in the eventual success of prohibition as though they are mentally defective. They are.



-blackmind
 
But where are the freedoms of the women? Is it not THEIR body? can they not do with it what THEY wish?
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That is a rather naive query? Do you think men have more rights in this matter?

Where are the freedoms of women? Simple. The same places as men. Prostitutes can be men or women.
 
Don H ~

Hokay.

There sure are a lot of graphic business cards stuck on telephone poles and fences, anyway.

pax
 
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