Punishing felons for the rest of their lives
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Originally posted by Pointer:
Are we calling another member a "simple-minded simpleton"? That is pretty close to name-calling and we don't cotton to it here.
I just read through this entire thread and I see some pretty emphatic responses, so let me try to make this clear without seeming too overly emphatic myself: make your argument as often as you like and be as emphatic as you need to be without personal attacks. It's not uncommon for another to read as far as they think they need to, to get a gist and miss the point of a post entirely. Be patient. Make your point. Some of us read every word of every post. You probably won't convince everyone to agree with your point in this. It's a bulletin board where we share opinions.
This is a great thread. Think twice, post once. You may have the opportunity to re-read a post of yours made here one day. Don't regret it. Attack the argument, not the poster.
Maybe simple-minded simpletons NEED a simple answer... NO
Are we calling another member a "simple-minded simpleton"? That is pretty close to name-calling and we don't cotton to it here.
I just read through this entire thread and I see some pretty emphatic responses, so let me try to make this clear without seeming too overly emphatic myself: make your argument as often as you like and be as emphatic as you need to be without personal attacks. It's not uncommon for another to read as far as they think they need to, to get a gist and miss the point of a post entirely. Be patient. Make your point. Some of us read every word of every post. You probably won't convince everyone to agree with your point in this. It's a bulletin board where we share opinions.
This is a great thread. Think twice, post once. You may have the opportunity to re-read a post of yours made here one day. Don't regret it. Attack the argument, not the poster.
IndianaDean
New member
What a load of cr*p. Someone who pays their debt to society should have their FULL rights restored. Complete b.s.
Michigan Mason
Inactive
There has to be more to the story that is not being revealed. To many holes where the info is not being filled in. Would be interesting to see what else was going on at the time of this incident.
As for the life long stigma of carrying the felon tab. Sex offenders carry their label for the rest of their life and I am glad that they have to register and inform the local police that they live in the area.
I don't like the fact that a person under a certain age can kill someone in a most heneous way and then say they didn't know better and get out when they turn 21 or 18.
As for the life long stigma of carrying the felon tab. Sex offenders carry their label for the rest of their life and I am glad that they have to register and inform the local police that they live in the area.
I don't like the fact that a person under a certain age can kill someone in a most heneous way and then say they didn't know better and get out when they turn 21 or 18.
Rich- First off, let me thank you for raising the bar. This is the kind of discussion we used to have here that made this such a great place to post.
Second-
I had a great Proff here at A&M who gave us an assignment. He would give you extra credit for up to 1/3rd of your grade if you could accurately tell him what an inalienable right was (as defined by the authors of the Declaration). It was July 4 and so he does this type of thing.
Turns out nobody (not even me) knew. But if he is correct (he grades us, not the other way around), an inalienable right is a right that you don't even have the ability to contract away. Indentured servitude would be a violation of an inalienable right because you simply cannot take it away from somebody and you cannot give it away to somebody. It is inalienable and you get it because you are a human being. Of course there were lots of inconsistencies in the lives of the founders, but as far as I am concerned, if you've paid your price, you should be free. If a felon is violent, and he is still a threat to society, then why would we let him back out on the street?
If he is not a threat to society, then why do we continue to keep him from his rights?
Having worked in LE in a part-time capacity and not on the street, I can say that most the folks in Jail are "innocent". There was always a HUGE part of their story that was missing, but I think that drug possession is not a Malum en se type of crime. Neither is possession of a firearm.
Second-
I had a great Proff here at A&M who gave us an assignment. He would give you extra credit for up to 1/3rd of your grade if you could accurately tell him what an inalienable right was (as defined by the authors of the Declaration). It was July 4 and so he does this type of thing.
Turns out nobody (not even me) knew. But if he is correct (he grades us, not the other way around), an inalienable right is a right that you don't even have the ability to contract away. Indentured servitude would be a violation of an inalienable right because you simply cannot take it away from somebody and you cannot give it away to somebody. It is inalienable and you get it because you are a human being. Of course there were lots of inconsistencies in the lives of the founders, but as far as I am concerned, if you've paid your price, you should be free. If a felon is violent, and he is still a threat to society, then why would we let him back out on the street?
If he is not a threat to society, then why do we continue to keep him from his rights?
Having worked in LE in a part-time capacity and not on the street, I can say that most the folks in Jail are "innocent". There was always a HUGE part of their story that was missing, but I think that drug possession is not a Malum en se type of crime. Neither is possession of a firearm.
For those of you interested in this topic, look at the info I posted at http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201182
There is a very thorough discussion involving rights of felons at common law and early in the history of this country. The opinion probably won't be available on the Court's website until 20 days has passed (this is to give parties the chance to petition for a rehearing).
There is a very thorough discussion involving rights of felons at common law and early in the history of this country. The opinion probably won't be available on the Court's website until 20 days has passed (this is to give parties the chance to petition for a rehearing).
Michigan Mason
Inactive
Interesting read KYJIM but it does not give the entire story of how the person of this topic was caught. There is not enough info in the original post to be able to form a locigal opinion. It would be nice to have the full story of what happened.